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Been in this game a long time SS and in all those years many pellets have promised to deliver the earth to the hunting man. The pellet in which you hold such high regard sells in the States for around £1.50 in Walmart as Crossman try desperately to off load them. The pellet, in my opinion, is not built to penetrate - I would guess that the point would channel whatever matter it connects with up into the hollowed section where it would have no option but to turn 180 degrees back on itself and thus cause a greater wound channel but over a shorter distance than, say, a domed pellet. Deformation of the pellet ,however,would also likely to be less than more commonly used examples such as the AA Field due to Crossman's tendency to use harder lead than the vast majority of other manufacturers therefore, again in my opinion, the design actually works against itself. BTW - you can actually see the swage marks on these pellets. Might be the Dogs danglies in a high powered Gun (though reports from the States disagree) but at our lowly 12ft/lb I doubt it - I will continue to use Extreme Hunter on Squirrels and AA Field on everything else. All very subjective of course and if you feel confident using them then that's worth something in itself - confidence is a great aid to accuracy.

In fact very little blood drains from a carcase once the heart stops beating i.e. the animal is dead - tiny amount of residual pressure but that's all.

Cast and then machined pellets?? The cost would surely be horrendous? Pellets are normally made by turning lead into wire - this is then cut to a precise length and (sometimes) swaged into a ball - whatever shape is decided on then goes to a swaging machine that normally has about 10 dies (all of which can be slightly different by a few microns) - the "pellets" are then positioned into said holes and swaged (pressed) into shape - simples. Top end pellets are then separated by weight and batched. As for adding oil, AFAIK no advantages whatsoever have been proven to such a treatment - might help prevent "corrosion" but this normally only occurs after considerable time.

If it really annoys you , you could look out for a replacement on Evilbay or ask a local gunsmith if he can steam them out - ask Demonwolf444 on this forum if he could perhaps do it for you - guys a genius.

Good question Snoozer - "FOUR" a divergent collection by Veronica Roth but with the hard cover pulled back and somewhat damp with Spaniel spit as my Springer insisted on retrieving the book after each shot. Better yet were the 2 Apples, an old Paper target taken from my target holder and a partially eaten slipper returned during the Chrono testing stage. Oddly enough I have been asked to stop shooting in our local Library Stu but if I am ever reborn as a Rabbit and sense that someone is after me with a .22 - sure as hell going to hide behind a book.

Meanwhile back in the real world of Airgun hunting ( which is where we are here) I have just spent the last 45 minutes with my Chrono and a paperback book - using my .22 and .177 S410's I have confirmed to myself that the .22 will not penetrate anywhere near as deep as the .177. If anybody has a legal limit .22 that will match my .177 for depth using the standard AA Field then I will eat my underpants.

Got 6 wasp traps from "Home Bargains" @ £1 for 2 and have been killing around 200/day till about a week ago.

So a larger projectile travelling at a lower speed penetrates further than a smaller dia. faster one? All those people who have sold their .22lr's and bought a .17HMR must be kicking themselves?

Try it before you part with your hard earned - BSA have let the odd Pig out of the factory.

Tend to agree, Rinfireboy, the .22 was sweeter than the .177 but still rough around the edges for Webley's top gun. When you put your mind to it, despite being a well respected Gunmaker, it's hard to remember a "stand out" Airgun from this stable. Pretty much typical of many British manufacturers who rested on their laurels after years of enjoying a virtual monopoly then totally failed to reinvest and modernise their products when the competition came knocking. Against such guns as the hw80 and FWB sport, just to mention 2, guns such as the Vulcan were doomed.

Listen to figgy - best advice by far.

My how the old "Rose tinted specs" cloud peoples memories....the Vulcan was pants from day one and ,despite improvements, could never match the far better German guns of it's era.

So I'm a dedicated AA fan and would rather have the S410 any day, however, a while back I bought a single shot Scorpion cos the deal was too good to turn down and I was really surprised by the performance of this little gem - if AA were to ever stop making guns then I think the Scorpion would be on the shopping list.

So am I right in thinking that your Gamekeeper friend stopped using these magical pellets because they were TOO effective

I bought a 95 about 5 years ago following ownership of several HW's but found the 95 a poor cousin to my previous 80 and 77 - got rid of it as soon as I could. Maybe I never had it long enough to "run in" but I would expect a product from such a well respected maker to be much better out of the box. TX200HC would be my choice or Prosport if you can get one at a good price - yes I am an AA dedicated fan but that's simply the result of 43 years of shooting Air Rifles and trying just about every other gun out there.

Listen to Ultrastu - pardon the pun but "bang on" advice

Chances are that you will end up with a pre 20's English gun for your kind of money, most likely Birmingham made then stamped with whoevers name ordered the batch. Nothing wrong with such guns but you will find that 95% will be chambered for 2 1/2" shells so bare that in mind and don't be tempted to feed them high velocity super performance loads cos that's not what these guns are about. If you can find a gun with decent Damascus then all the better but more important is the wood - remove the locks and check for oil soaked woodwork or cracks around the hand. A well made Hammer Gun is a real joy to use but there are pitfalls for the unwary, I am happy to loan you my copy of Hadokes book (essential reading) if it helps but you might also ask the guru,s on this forum if they know of any decent guns for sale - guys such as Demonwolf444, for example, forget more about English guns everyday than I could ever hope to know.

Exactly Rst1990.....or put another way, not as flat as a .177 nor as hard hitting as a .22? As I used to say when I worked in the kiddies entertainment industry - it's all swings and roundabouts.

Must run in their blood - as I post this I can see 2 Springers, upside down and fast asleep on £2k of leather sofa, talk about a Dogs life.

Not sure if we are on the same wavelength but I have a Coleman SS Flask that I fill with boiling water, leave for 5 minutes then empty and stand for about another minute for the steam to clear then put freshly cooked sausages in and Hey-Presto - 2 hours later still piping hot.

Have a look at the MK2 AA S200 single piece stock, multi shot - if he loves it then pm me asap.

Heavy but built like the proverbial house - mate had one for years but it had barrel droop which caused scope problems but nothing that a slither of shell case couldn't cure - I had the 80 at the time and both guns were pretty well matched. Fashion is their only enemy cos they will hold their own against pretty much anything modern - local dealer offered a friend of mine £50 for his about 3 years back - daylight robbery.

Made by TULA also known as TulaToz - makers of mainly military weapons and started by Peter the Great in 1901 ( if memory serves me) - I have an identical gun that was, according to the factory, an exhibition grade model with bright nickel action, Walnut stock, skip cut chequering etc- superb guns.

Easy enough mistake to make, Ultrstu, but such faux pas's are bound to happen when using a gun made by Brummie's and comparing them with the quality stuff from The Old Smoke

Pull the bolt all the way back then slip the Mag out....hold the bolt and ease it forward as you pull the trigger...Hey Presto it's un cocked.....click the Mag back one click then cock the bolt and pop the Mag back in and she's ready to dance - where's the difficulty in that?