mr lee Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 I'm sure I read that he had kept hold of it for a few days prior to handing it in. If that is true then it could explain the charges against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulf Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Why take it to the cop shop?? Simple thing would just be to phone the police. The bloke's actions are strange in the least, no wonder the police arested him, frankly anyone with half a brain cell would realize what would happen if you walk into a police station and pulll out a gun. No sympathy at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted November 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 As said,there must be more to this. If this is essentially a law abiding man filling a cell where a real crims should be then it is quite wrong to jail him.Those of us in public service do tend to think of ourselves as being on the side of the Police,obviously wrongly,he may have felt entitled to meet with the Top Brass having served in uniform.Maybe he wanted to complain to someone senior about how his community was wracked by gun crime and was making a point that upset them.Not good PR for the police considering the high esteem the Armed Forces are held in though. Pity it was not covered in more trustworthy newspapers as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintime Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Why has there allways got to be more to it according to some. On the surface of this it look inocent but please reserve judgement untill the FULL FACTS are revealed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 forgive me for being stupid but the guy served in the forces the same as i did and he knows how to make a weapon safe so he decides to take it up with the chief as he is used to the chain of command and doesnt want the normal monkeys to mess him about and they do this to him in return what ever happened to innocent till proven guilty? With storys like this would you do the right thing and hand it in ? it would make me think twice about stopping Gus - I do forgive you for being stupid, because stupid is exactly correct. Just run this lucid argument about the chain of command past me again - I haven't stopped laughing yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Seems the "there must be more to it" theory was correct? this post was placed on guntrader forum! KW How about the bloke was dishonourably discharged from the Army for stealing ammo? Or that he was suspected of shooting another doorman over drug business, but the case was discontnued due to lack of evidence, ie a gun? Or how about the fact that the shotgun he handed in had previously been licensed to him and had had the barrels and stock cut off and a partial serial number recovered through forensics as the number had not been ground off enough? The CPS decide upon the charge and base that on the evidence wihich must provide a more than 50% chance of conviction. Likewise, the CPS prosecute the case based on this evidence. And the major point that you seem to ignore in your rant is that the jury, 12 ordinary people, took only 20 minutes to find him guilty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 i would take njc'c method. chop it up, burn the wood, throw it in the sea, whatever, just don't go anywhere near the police with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Seems the "there must be more to it" theory was correct? this post was placed on guntrader forum!KW How about the bloke was dishonourably discharged from the Army for stealing ammo? Or that he was suspected of shooting another doorman over drug business, but the case was discontnued due to lack of evidence, ie a gun? Or how about the fact that the shotgun he handed in had previously been licensed to him and had had the barrels and stock cut off and a partial serial number recovered through forensics as the number had not been ground off enough? The CPS decide upon the charge and base that on the evidence wihich must provide a more than 50% chance of conviction. Likewise, the CPS prosecute the case based on this evidence. And the major point that you seem to ignore in your rant is that the jury, 12 ordinary people, took only 20 minutes to find him guilty! The judge ordered them to find him guilty, as there was no defence in law. Likewise the CPS had 100% chance of a conviction from the start. All according to previous posts, I've just waded through. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Ring up your local Police Station and ask for an appointment with the Chief Superintendent and see how you fare. You be lucky to end up with a Sergeant and truly lucky to see an Inspector. They will want to know what it is you want to discuss. This man gets an appointment with the top man. How and why? Is he feeling so important that a mere civvy, Constable, Sergeant, Inspector, Chief Inspector or Superintendent will not do? He is guilty - end of chat. All he can do now is talk mitigation. I don't envy his barrister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 perhaps the police were still upset about this :blink: http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/golf/Ma...il/article.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Ironic that the picture in that article was taken in such a way that the strip light in the background looks like he is holding a broom handle... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Ironic that the picture in that article was taken in such a way that the strip light in the background looks like he is holding a broom handle... That's coincidence not irony... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 That's coincidence not irony... I blame Alanis. LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 I'm sticking with ironic, coincidence would be an actual broom handle in the guys hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Of course the question also needs to be asked how come this person could walk in to a police station carring a bin liner with a shot gun in it, wait in reception untill the inspector became free.and allowed to walk to his office. extream lack of security at that station I think. How would they have printed it if said man was allowed to sit in the police station reception for ten mins then is escorted to inspectors office where he calmly removes said shotgun dispating said inspector. unbelivable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGadger Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 You be careful Sparkie: the internet spies will have your ID and pay you a visit under the terrorism act. (One has to wonder who is doing the terrorising here, OBL or Abu Ben Ploddo?) FG LETS RAISE A PEOPLES ARMY AND SEIZE CONTROL OF THE STATE!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Fleabag - he didn't see an Inspector - he went three ranks up to Chief Superintendent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 there will be more to it probably related to him holding it overnight or possibly longer before handing it in. However just goes to show if you find an unlicensed firearm its best to call plod rather than take it anywhere and risk being done for being in posession of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guss109 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Gordon r lets look at the clues if you have a complaint or a problem would you want to speak to the monkey or the organ grinder? The guy just took it right to the top as it would be dealt with quicker as he is in charge or top of the chain of command. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Gordon r lets look at the clues if you have a complaint or a problem would you want to speak to the monkey or the organ grinder? The guy just took it right to the top as it would be dealt with quicker as he is in charge or top of the chain of command. Guss, Try ringing your local nick and ask to see to the Chief Superintendent. The first thing you'll be asked is what it's concerning. Tell them you've just found a sawn off shotgun and ammunition in your garden and i can assure you they'll tell you to LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS while they send someone round to collect it. Which begs the question WHAT did the guy say to get himself an appointment with the Chief Superintendent the following day? IF he had told the truth about what he'd found he would NOT have been told to bring it to the station. As for all this rubbish about 'going to the top' and 'monkeys and organ grinders' it's just that. Rubbish. The duty Inspector would almost certainly co-ordinate the examination/removal of the gun, and any investigation. Chief Superintendents are too busy collating crime stats and attending 'meetings' to deal with ground roots policing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Guss109 - look at the clues??? Clueless more like. You just can't walk in to a Police Station and see a Chief Superintendent. Try it - after you have begged and pleaded, you might see a Sergeant. If you got lucky - an Inspector. I don't comprehend just how he managed to convince a Chief Superintendent to see him. It must have suited the Police. He wanted to see the top man - why? Delusions of grandeur and attention seeking - nothing less. Try going in to a bank and demand to see the Manager to pay in £10. Try asking at the supermarket for the Manager to handle your checkout. It is laughable. The man is an idiot and I trust he gets the sentence his arrogance / stupidity deserves. Poontang - just read your post - spot on. Edited November 17, 2009 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 THE GUYS AN IDIOT. As ex forces he does no how to make the weapon safe, he also has been taught about chain of evidence from Northern Ireland or Iraq or Afghan. The chain of command aurgment is smoke and mirrors. Or did he think it was ok to put it in his bed as he got made to sleep with is rifle in basic training Soldiers do some stupid things trust me I have seen it to often. If he could not work to call the police and watch it so no one touched it, then he should have known to do the 4Cs for training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) ooops please delete Edited November 23, 2009 by babbyc1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) THE GUYS AN IDIOT. Soldiers do some stupid things trust me I have seen it too often. Why didn't he just hand it in to a dealer? Naive perhaps? No civvy shooting knowledge? If he has no previous, he should get an absolute discharge, I would think. Edited November 23, 2009 by rjimmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 you what he found a gun abandoned in his garden and he took it inside thought about it a while and then the chain of events go on. I've had shotguns for years I wouldn't pick it up and take it to plod there would be a 999 call made straight away just incse it had just been used to top someone. Sounds like a scandal but really a lot of things don't add up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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