Highlander Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...og-mauling.html Sorry for the little girl, but as usual parents most likely irresponsible idiots. As usual the dog will be put down. Man has for millennia selectively bred these dogs (and other animals) to be ‘fit for purpose’ a bull dog is just that, bred to herd/tame/fight/kill bulls that’s what it did until man no longer needed/desired them for that purpose and the likes of the Kennel Club got in on the act. Now man has these things living in his home with his/her kids and expects the poor dog to behave, only the dogs genes are not programmed that way. I have a number of dogs, Labs, ESS and Patterdales all kennelled outside and even though Labs especially are renowned for being big softies there’s no way I’d let a young child play with any of them unless heavily supervised. Have you seen the things kids do to pets in the name of ‘play’. Enough to test the patience of any poor animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I wouldn't blame the breed, as Highlander has said it's a dog with a specifically bred purpose. What I do question is why people consider them for pets. There are plenty of other breeds out there that make cracking pets. I would never consider having a pet of any description that I couldn't win a fight with if push comes to shove. I have a mate who is built like the preverbial outer house. He had a doberman which he brought round to our house to show us and the kids. I made him keep it on the lead the whole time. Good job too as it went for one of the kids and in doing so it pulled him backwards over and out of an armchair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I'd question as well why you would want to own one. Its another status dog bought without thought that it could do serious damage to a child or adult. These are hunting dogs and athletic but made for hunting things like pigs so will have the upper hand on an animal. Children and dogs can mix but the size of dog and type can dictate what can potentially go wrong. My GWP has grown up round kids and I can safely say i trust her entirely but wouldn't ever leave her unsupervised with youngsters. My nephews have crawled all over her as they were growing up and she dotes on them, now they are at the nasty stage she will take so much and then move away from them but kids will pull hair and hit and it takes a very good dog to take it. The other problem can occur when the child goes near their food so always worth taking the food bowl up to avoid that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I would never consider having a pet of any description that I couldn't win a fight with if push comes to shove. ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 In my opinion any breed of dog is ok with kids if they're trained properly. Training counts for the owners, kids and Dog, not just the poor mutt. My old boss had an English Bull Terrier and it was great with his kids. His kids from very early on got a stern telling off if they bugged it and were never left alone with her. As always I feel it's the dog who gets the blame for the bad owners and kids. It's not so much that dogs can't be trusted to be alone with kids, rather kids can't be trusted to be alone with the dog! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 In my opinion any breed of dog is ok with kids if they're trained properly. Training counts for the owners, kids and Dog, not just the poor mutt. My old boss had an English Bull Terrier and it was great with his kids. His kids from very early on got a stern telling off if they bugged it and were never left alone with her. As always I feel it's the dog who gets the blame for the bad owners and kids. It's not so much that dogs can't be trusted to be alone with kids, rather kids can't be trusted to be alone with the dog! Sorry an animal is just that an animal with its own mind and attitudes, if its capable? one day it WILL regardless of how well trained. but then again its always a case of my dogs a good dog eh! KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Any dog could maul a five year old. Just because it's a so called American bulldog it made the papers. Do you think there would have been the same reaction if a poodle had been involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 dont get me started on these devil dogs!!!!!! mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 dont get me started on these devil dogs!!!!!! mikee GO ON mikee get started! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Any dog could maul a five year old. Just because it's a so called American bulldog it made the papers. Do you think there would have been the same reaction if a poodle had been involved? had a poodle done it, the story would have read bitten, poodles don't lock jaws and then shake that is why these are dangerous and much the same way that when they are used in fighting they have to use breaker sticks to separate them. They are not pets to have with children or really at all IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Made me chuckle that right below "It's the ####" is a big green picture saying "Fight Prejudice" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 they still don't lock jaws quite as badly as the true fighting breeds. Over our way we get Irish bull terriers as well, funnily enough they are mostly pit bulls bred in Ireland to get round the ban. p.s beardo you're slacking that post has lasted 10 minutes so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 It is the asian communities that are still involved in dog fighting, but that is in their culture, most likely brought over by us when it was legal over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I would never consider having a pet of any description that I couldn't win a fight with if push comes to shove. Couldn't agree more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 We were not talking about bans (we all know what happens when things get banned!) just that people should be held responsible for their dogs as it’s generally their fault when the dog goes off on one. Unfortunately whilst we do manage the gene pool of (most) of our animals we just haven’t got around to it in the human population... as yet! And yes the 'Fight Prejudice' poster is priceless!!! see what I mean about gene pools! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconBoy Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Shame, I always thought the Irish had a GSOH about as good as the jocks by the looks of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Dog ownership should have liscencing brought back in for it. And it should be policed better to ensure illegal and irresponsible breeders aren't doing anything which would be detremental to the breeds health (in breeding for starters). Given todays technology it would be a heck of a lot easier to police with the likes of microchipping backed up by bonafide papers which have a breeders stamp on them. Breeding dogs for profit should be something which people have to apply for. You only have to go round rehoming centres to see how many staffies are in there. Quite heart breaking really. Anyway, I digress. A lot of it is to do with the owner and how the dog is treated and the rest is down to the breed of the dog. A terrier will always have plenty of fight in it, regardless of what type of terrier it is. There are other issues which would need addressing, obviosly, which are probably too many for me to place on here. Edited June 1, 2010 by Doc Holliday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Deed not breed.Why persecute an entire breed because of isolated incidents??? Bad owners=bad dog. I have a Bullmastiff which historically was bred as a gamekeepers dog to attack poachers so should he be taken away from me? Course not because i have him well trained and he poses no more of a risk to the public than any other well balanced breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I love it when licensing is cited as the answer to everything. The people who own Pit Bull Terriers are breaking the law to start with. Why would they bother about a licence? Totally beyond me. Before another argument breaks out - this was an American Bulldog. For American - potentially read "large". I have two Japanese Akitas. One with Japanese lines and the other Amercian. I did a bit of reading before I got either - the upshot seemed to be Americans like size - big dogs. The breeder who I got my dog from was of the same opinion. My Japanese weighs 90lbs - but is a bitch. The American dog weighs 140 lbs. I was told that the Japanese breed for confirmation and temperament and the Americans mainly for size. The same seems to apply to terriers and bulldogs, with American heritage, which seem to be the preferred dogs for some people who let their kids near dogs with dangerous consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I wasn't saying it was the answer to everything but as we have seen, if there is no kind of monitering then people will act irresponsibly. Even with licensing, people will still act irresponsibly but it will be easier to keep track off who's doing what with which dogs and weed out the those who are breeding illegally or irresponsibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Doc - I am not having a pop, but I cannot honestly see it being any use at all. The law abiding will comply. Scrotes will not. I think I know which section most of these attacks are from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I wouldn't blame the breed, as Highlander has said it's a dog with a specifically bred purpose. What I do question is why people consider them for pets. There are plenty of other breeds out there that make cracking pets. I would never consider having a pet of any description that I couldn't win a fight with if push comes to shove. I have a mate who is built like the preverbial outer house. He had a doberman which he brought round to our house to show us and the kids. I made him keep it on the lead the whole time. Good job too as it went for one of the kids and in doing so it pulled him backwards over and out of an armchair. As some of you's may know on previous threads I can go on forever why these people have these dogs and why the bull breeds should be banned but it just goes round in circles if someone doesnt agree with you. So Im saying this Mungler hit the nail on the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 So where do you draw the line? What about rotties, German shepherds, dobermans. They still have a use "guarding and security" What use is bulldogs in todays would? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 What use is bulldogs in todays would? Because they make superb pets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Because they make superb pets. Only in the hands of responsable owners.....obviously or we would not be having this debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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