tweedledee Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 guys there seems to be an increasing amount of hmr rifles for sale in the guns for sale section.are folk giving up on the little round.i love mine but then i don`t shoot in really windy conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I noticed that too. When I joined it seemed every other for sale post was for a second hand Hatsan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 i nearly gave up on mine but fell in love with it again, though im pe'd off with how affected by the wind it seems to be - and i dont mean force 9 hurricanes, a light 5mph(ish) wind was pushing my rounds 3" high and right at 100 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 mine is up for sale but love the round that much i want a more up market set up...you can take all my guns but not the 17 never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosa Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 mine is up for sale but love the round that much i want a more up market set up...you can take all my guns but not the 17 never If you want a more up market set up i would go for a Anschutz. I have had all from cz to quad & annie etc etc(all good rifles but if funds allow i would go for the annie) just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Seem to be all cz's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 why do people keep mentioning wind effect on the HMR - it's less effected by wind than .22lr!!! 10mph side wind at 100 yards .22lr Sub = 3.62" (Eley 40gr Subsonic Hunting) .22lr HV = 3.83" (Eley 40gr HV Hunting) .17hmr = 3.15" (Federal 17gr BT) had a great little shoot with mine last night - 11 bunnies, and some in a good cross wind and a decent distance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I'm with Nick on this one! I think far too much emphasis is put on the deviation in wind, much of which is unfounded! I love my CZ 452 "Hummer" and would not dream of parting with it. I can shoot in most wind conditions and hit what I want to on a regular basis no matter what the wind conditions and let's face it, the wind can be one of your best friends if you use it to your advantage when you are out stalking and shooting at live quarry! (You only have to watch some of my shooting videos to see the sort of winds that I shoot in). I personally do not believe that there is any more cause for concern with the 17HMR in wind than there is with a .22LR, or any other rimfire come to that! It's all down to knowing your gun, so come on lads, let's not keep putting this brilliant and versatile rifle down with unfair remarks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 the wind is actually complimenting the round as the people that moan about it compare it to a centrefire not a .22lr lots come up for sale as people don't have the ground for them, as a bunny gun they are excellent but you need a lot of bunnies to keep feeding one, a plinking gun they are not but for general vermin they are great. Plenty of keepers round me use them simply because you can shoot winged vermin at 150 yards and anything in between Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyflier Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Firing "laser guided bunny seeking missiles," I wouldn't even consider selling mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Its cos it makes shooting too easy, there just so good, like shooting fish in a barrel haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroku4399 Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I have read that a lot of people say how the round is affected by wind, just because you can shoot rabbits at 100 yds doesnt mean that you cant get a bit closer. It aint rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I have read that a lot of people say how the round is affected by wind, just because you can shoot rabbits at 100 yds doesnt mean that you cant get a bit closer. It aint rocket science. Sometimes you can't get closer...I have several sites with distance issues, one is a very well maintained sports ground with 6 full size and 3, 5 a side football pitches. Very Flat, well cut grass and absolutely no cover except around the edges, the goals come down after every match, it's completely open, ... air rifle and .22lr are no use, and no chance of getting close, 100 yards is a close shot there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norrie Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 LOL, I'm in the midst of applying for a variation for 17HMR.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotland rifles Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 why do people keep mentioning wind effect on the HMR - it's less effected by wind than .22lr!!!10mph side wind at 100 yards .22lr Sub = 3.62" (Eley 40gr Subsonic Hunting) .22lr HV = 3.83" (Eley 40gr HV Hunting) .17hmr = 3.15" (Federal 17gr BT) had a great little shoot with mine last night - 11 bunnies, and some in a good cross wind and a decent distance i have to agree with nick. i shoot mine in all weathers and all this wind lark is pants, i think one of the reasons there are a few up for sale is that they are not cheap to run, i used over 8,000 rounds in the last few months up until i got my 20 tac, now thats getting a bit more use on the charlies it saves me money as i reload it, the other main factor is that its not a quiet as people think so they get ear ache from the land owner/people that live close complain so they sell it on, i love mine to death as a calibre, but still getting used to the new sako quad ?? bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I think that the main frustration with the hmr is that it shows up your shooting errors. It takes an experienced rifle shot to consistantly shoot MOA off sticks and if your used to plinking at 50yds with a .22lr then a 17hmr at twice the distance will double your mistakes. My CZ has come close to the sale board quite a few times but mostly the mistakes were with me, I do think they need a bit of time to settled down as well. You hear the phrase, used to only like federal but now shoots well with any ammunition relating to HMR often on forums. I think its more like I was having a good day when I was using federal but then got used to my gun is more the truth. When you see a picture of 5 neat touching holes at 100yds it doesnt mean we can all do it, even using bean bags or bi pods. You hear exactly the same with centre fire,' I bought a tika and out of the box it was shooting half inch groups'. Sure it will if you stumble on the right ammo or homeload and the gun is already run in and you do your part. When I bought my remmi 700 in 243 I was dissapointed when it couldnt shoot 3 shots into a ten pence piece at 100yds. Played with stocks, ammo and the trigger, no doupt all these things helped but the main improvement was with me, now shes cracking and if I put it all back to original then I bet she would still be pretty good now I can shoot her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I don't really understand why so many people bash the HMR either. Ok I admit that it didn't do what I wanted it to do, but that wasn't the fault of the calibre, it's because I wanted too much from it. It's better than the .22lr in the wind, but don't expect it to be a .223 because it never will be. Cost wise, how much do you pay for 50 12g cartridges to shoot clays on the weekend? There you go, it's not expensive either! Unless you're prepared to home load I don't think there's a rifle round out there that's as good as the HMR for what it costs per shot? I love my .17 Ackley Hornet to bits but the setup cost was huge. You could buy a top of the range Anschutz HMR and about 4000 rounds of ammo for what it's cost me to get going with the Ackley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I also get cheesed off with people slating the cz hmrs.I have fired the annie, sako and marlin....all felt fine, but my cz has never missed a beat, the bolt is smooth, the trigger is superb straight out of the box and its bloody accurate....what more can you ask of a rifle? Ive not really noticed the wind affecting the round much at all until you push it out over the 150 mark in higher winds. I missed a couple diagonally accross a feild thats 170 yards exactly from corner to corner with a fair right to left breeze a few weeks ago, normally I rarely miss them across this feild as im so used to doing it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 I think people get them as a first rifle. It's easy to shoot accaurately and it's also flat. Then it's more suitable for foxes than a .22 and it ricochets less. Few months/years later you can get a .22 CF granted. Better for the foxes and longer rabbits and the .22 is cheaper to run for the closer stuff. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 DONT MENTION THE WIND!! sorry lads but its a valid point, something we need to recognise with this round, and frenchie, its not unfounded, its down to personal experience, and i mostly shooting prone the reason i bought an hmr was my main rabbits shooting area last year was very open and hilly, the closest shots were 70+ yards, alot of them reaching up to 150 yards. too far for the 22lr, so going with the hype i went for a 17hmr. yes its a great rifle (apart from needing alot of cleaning and/or breaking in) but bear in mind alot of people buy them to use on far longer ranges than a .22lr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 yes its a great rifle (apart from needing alot of cleaning and/or breaking in) should have got a CZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 wanted something that felt like a proper gun mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 wanted something that felt like a proper gun mate And doesn't take up all the server space in the for sale section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted July 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 wanted something that felt like a proper gun mate a marlin feeling better than a cz?:o?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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