MC Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) To be honest .....I think we all are going to be classed as a biggot at some point or another. But what Doc and Simon and myself (and many others) probably know is that there are/seems to be far too many followers of fashion on here There the first of type of member you highlitgted, nowt construtive to say as always . There you go again, playing the dunce card again. You are getting really good at it aren't you? We will move onto your ABC's next week. It has nothing to do with being a follower of fashion, it has EVERYTHING to do with the forum rules which you agreed to abide by when you joined. Although I will bet a pound you never even read them. As much as it pains me to agree with Paulos he is bang on, If you are really that annoyed demand your money back. It is fairly simple to me, abide by the rules or get your threads removed. Now repeat after me, A is for apple, B is for Boat And it is HIGHLIGHTED, Edited January 18, 2011 by MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) There you go again, playing the dunce card again. You are getting really good at it aren't you? We will move onto your ABC's next week. It has nothing to do with being a follower of fashion, it has EVERYTHING to do with the forum rules which you agreed to abide by when you joined. Although I will bet a pound you never even read them. As much as it pains me to agree with Paulos he is bang on, If you are really that annoyed demand your money back. It is fairly simple to me, abide by the rules or get your threads removed. Now repeat after me, A is for apple, B is for Boat And it is HIGHLIGHTED, Edited January 18, 2011 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I think the mods on here are great. They close some threads to stop people making fools of themselves I suspect. And I don't think there strict either but firm when needed. The thing is no matter where you go you'll always dislike someone you just got to get along some how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 And yet another topic lapses into farce!This forum is nothing if not consistent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The thing being as an open forum anyone can view it. If someone was to read something and print it etc as it is on the web i'm pretty sure the owner and moderators could potentially be held liable should someone make a complaint or take legal action. The moderation here is pretty fair, i read the thread but as PW it at the top of a LOT of Google searches the guys who won and their legal teams could well be on the lookout. Whether you like it or not anti-discrimination law has big teeth unfortunately so they are just protecting the site and members. Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 In that case, the joke forum better go. This post http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/152256-what-do-you-call/page__pid__1296814#entry1296814 is highly offensive to the mother of those two lads and the lads themselves, god forbid they should ever read it. They'd be very upset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 How's about rechecking what a bigot is? Ie someone who will not change their view no matter how incontravertable the evidence is and how strong the logic is that they are wrong. The recent post pulling was to do with possible offence caused to a minority group who had no choice in their belonging to that particular group. I know you can't be hospitalised by being offended, but there are some sensibilities that we ought to uphold, as decent human beings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I know this website is no democracy, but for cryin' out loud, stop acting like a load of pussies in fear of upsetting all and sundry. In any case, you've upset me by removing the thread as I find it an insult to my intelligence that you feel we can't have an adult discussion about the rights/wrongs of homosexuality without it degenerating in to a total homophobic platform. Oh man, I missed a good one here didn't I?! "The rights and wrongs of homosexuality"? That's a bit deep for a shooting forum isn't it? No doubt there will be some that think all poofs should be shot, then perhaps a few that find it repulsive, then a few more that don't see the issue. Personally I don't like seeing over keen displays of affection in public, but two blokes snogging doesn't really bother me any more than an over keen male/female couple consuming eachother like there's nobody else in the world! I also don't see the attraction of two women getting it on. From my pont of view that's two less available to me and that's a poor show! To be honest I'd rather not see it whoever's doing it! The lad who was my best mate right through my school years is gay. When he told me he thought I'd never speak to him again (perhaps due to all the offensive gay jokes I used to make?). As it turns out I'm not bothered at all. He's the same bloke he always was and I'd trust him with anything no matter what. As for over moderation. Well the forum has been running and running well for quite a long time. For that reason I'd say it's got to be about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The thing is that we are all being told that diversity is good yet we are all being programmed to think the same In the police where I work it is hammered into us to the point that it is farcical especially given the policies; Someone who reports a racial crime such as grafitti gets an immediate visit from an officer even though the offence might have occurred three weeks beforehand and there is no evidence of who has done it, while someone of indiginous stock reported the same crime of grafitti they would be lucky to get a crime number let alone a visit. We are all discriminatory in some way, shape or form. Some more than others. Moderation, like the law is there to stop extremist views upsetting certain people. What is extremist in society is defined by laws and therefore shaped by all of us by democratic means (other than European Laws that are imposed unilaterally on us). Forum moderation is done by consent. If you don't like it then you can stop logging on. Simple. Don't forget that we are guests here. No one owes us anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 sorry i slept in and nearly missed a mod bashing thread ! Yea i agree,all the mods are probably gay I used to get warned on a weekly basis,but henry d isnt a mod anymore :( i so miss his little messages... whinging about it wont get you anywhere(but banned)so why bother ? i pressume you are a grown up so just move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The bigotry towards travellers is tolerated though :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Duncan, that's not being a bigot, that's called having a belief. Just as a muslim wouldn't denounce the Koran to anyone as it is his BELIEF. It becomes bigoted when he believes his belief is the only right one and all the others are the wrong ones. He becomes intolerent of those who do not share his belief. UKPoacher, my point was that the views WEREN'T extremist that lead to the thread being pulled. And I agree with your point being that moderators should be there to MODERATE not CENSOR. Ok, if some plonker is up there and writing all kinds of offensive stuff then yes, but not to censor/delete entire threads IN CASE someone took offense over anothers view point which wasn't an extreme one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The bigotry towards travellers is tolerated though :unsure: Certain quarters are trying to instigate 'poke a *****' week I understand. Rumour has it that Dave (David Cameron to those who aren't on first name terms) is behind it :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The bigotry towards travellers is tolerated though :unsure: That's because most people know where they are coming from and that they're likely to steal the pennies from a dead mans eyes. No offence, but it most cases you can't trust a traveller any further than you could throw him. That's not an extreme view point, as sad as it sounds it tends to be the truth. Travellers can't be trusted except amonst their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) well at least we all seem to have similar views even if we arent allowed to type them on the forum. we can just go about REAL life and practice what we arent allowed to preach Edited January 18, 2011 by artschool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) The thing being as an open forum anyone can view it. If someone was to read something and print it etc as it is on the web i'm pretty sure the owner and moderators could potentially be held liable should someone make a complaint or take legal action. The moderation here is pretty fair, i read the thread but as PW it at the top of a LOT of Google searches the guys who won and their legal teams could well be on the lookout. Whether you like it or not anti-discrimination law has big teeth unfortunately so they are just protecting the site and members. Jon. Ain't that the truth. Most of the whiners have absolutely no idea what goes on behind the scenes. The grief that the mods get and I mean serious real world grief. I upset some nut job last year and coupled with various legal orientated threats and requests over 100 emails on various subjects of complaint were sent in just one day. That was one minor spat about F-all. Now ramp it up by upsetting travellers, muslims, jews, gays, blacks and immigrants and you can hear the Mods collective "face palming" the thread - they have to deal with the poop that gets generated on here. Believe me, you have absolutely no idea..... Suck it up whiners, you know it's not that bad. There's plenty of shooting forums out there, fill ya boots. Edited January 18, 2011 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 The bigotry towards travellers is tolerated though :unsure: I'd say it's more hatred/utter contempt/deep dark thoughts more than bigotry - If by 'travellers' you mean those people who live in caravans on land most often illegally gained and blight any area they live next to, then yes I believe Bigotry in Britian is alive and well when it comes to 'travellers'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Ain't that the truth. Most of the whiners have absolutely no idea what goes on behind the scenes. The grief that the mods get and I mean serious real world grief. I upset some nut job last year and coupled with various legal orientated threats and requests over 100 emails on various subjects of complaint were sent in just one day. That was one minor spat about F-all. Now ramp it up by upsetting travellers, gays, blacks and immigrants and you can hear the Mods collective "face palming" the thread - they have to deal with the poop that gets generated on here. Believe me, you have absolutely no idea..... Suck it up whiners, you know it's not that bad. There's plenty of shooting forums out there, fill ya boots. Excuse me, I only sent about 95 e-mails.................100 e-mails is ridiculous, i've told you a million times stop exagerating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Duncan, that's not being a bigot, that's called having a belief. Just as a muslim wouldn't denounce the Koran to anyone as it is his BELIEF. It becomes bigoted when he believes his belief is the only right one and all the others are the wrong ones. He becomes intolerent of those who do not share his belief. UKPoacher, my point was that the views WEREN'T extremist that lead to the thread being pulled. And I agree with your point being that moderators should be there to MODERATE not CENSOR. Ok, if some plonker is up there and writing all kinds of offensive stuff then yes, but not to censor/delete entire threads IN CASE someone took offense over anothers view point which wasn't an extreme one. I think we need to be careful of semantics and language. What's the difference between dis-believing and denouncing? Surely just whether one chooses to voice the opinion or not. "It becomes bigoted when he believes his belief is the only right one and all the others are the wrong ones." Most muslims I've known would fall into that category, by their own words and volition. Of course I'm not saying all muslims think the same way. Christians too really; Thou shallt have no other God but me? Surely a very strong anti-pagan view that most christians I've known would uphold - my parents included. I think we should really put aside the 'religious faith' idea when defining bigots (they have zealots instead), as most religions maintain that their religion is 'the true one', which surely denounces the other religions by implication. TBH, I also agree that the views regarding homosexuals were not extreme, but the language used more than likely would have offended members of that minority, and even if thought by an individual, shouldn't really be broadcast. As for the moderators, tough call! Damned if they do, damned if they don't! AFAIK they want to protect shooting and country sports and some views/language aired may be damaging to our reputation as a minority ourselves. Remember that your average punter isn't keen on guns, killing animals for fun, guns, shooting harmless pheasants that are bred to be shot at and hunting...and....did I mention guns? We don't need to be seen to be 'bad' for other things too. I would not want to be a mod. :yp: Edited January 18, 2011 by The Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darebear Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I wouldn't want to be a mod for love nor money. I think it's a thankless task and hard work. I have on occasion been warned myself, and upon reflecting and in hindsight, accept the reasons. I think sometimes people take offense to being warned or having a thread closed down, but in all honesty if there was no censorship and order then things would become unmanagable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Not whining Mung, just trying to push the boundaries and testing the water. If what you say has an ounce oftruth then how the hell does youtube get away with all the libellous stuff posted on their site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 I believe in freedom of speech and the right to call a spade a spade, so I must be a biggot then. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Not whining Mung, just trying to push the boundaries and testing the water. If what you say has an ounce oftruth then how the hell does youtube get away with all the libellous stuff posted on their site? I bet if you did find something illegal, offensive or libelous then there is a full time and well paid dedicated department that kicks in, pulls it, investigates it and bans the users in question. I doubt that You Tube would even consider any discussion on the subject - account closed, wallop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenix Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 To be honest I prefer the limits placed on posting on here, stops it turning in to yet another shooting forums full of the same posts as each other. I cant read most of the other forums due to the continual negative posting on off topic stuff mainly politics and the latest daily mail news story. Another forum I am a member of has a no politics rule, to be honest people tend to just get on, rather than continually winding each other up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Too many people in fear of the political correctness police ,I mean come on ,what happened to baa baa black sheep. The world is going mad . Regards Darren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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