roadkill Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Not sure how i go about this but how do i get my fac opened? Do i ring up the feo and ask them or just send them my ticket with a cover letter telling them i would like it opened? If so how do i word the letter? Little bit of background i have had my ticket for just over three years and use a regular amount of ammo for the .243 and the .22 I also quite a few pieces of land which the police know about but every time i get invited to another i just find it a pain in the bum when having to ring up the feo to see if the land has been checked i would much rather do a check myself . many thanks jamie , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 hi mate ive just had all my conditions lifted from my licence...just explained that i had my rifles for 3 years what amount of ammo i had used and that i kept having to turn foxing down as the land hadnt been checked and the same for deer stalking as alot of my familys land has now got deer on it.. explaind to them that after shooting center fire rifles for 3 years at least i could tell what was a safe shot or not...hey presto all conditions removed!!!! good luck rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbuster Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Just explain that your having to turn down urgent call outs due to the restrictions on your current license. It does help if you've already got quite a bit of land to shoot over. Hope all goes well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 how does this sound? I wish to apply to have the closed terms of my license removed and have an open license. I have been shooting for three years and have a couple of estates on which I shoot vermin and it has arisen on a few occasions where a neighbouring farmer has asked me to deal with a fox but I have had to turn them down due to the closed conditions on my FAC and have lost the shooting. cheers roadkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 how does this sound? I wish to apply to have the closed terms of my license removed and have an open license. I have been shooting for three years and have a couple of estates on which I shoot vermin and it has arisen on a few occasions where a neighbouring farmer has asked me to deal with a fox but I have had to turn them down due to the closed conditions on my FAC and have lost the shooting. cheers roadkill Sounds ok but I would state the actual condition that you want removing instead of saying "closed terms of my license removed and have an open license" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Rang my feo and he said 'no chance' suffolk constabulary makes you wait the full 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Sounds ok but I would state the actual condition that you want removing instead of saying "closed terms of my license removed and have an open license" i only have the one condition on my fac which states the land has to be cleared by the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 change the open close bit for I would like to request that the condition for the land I am able to shoot be altered to land that I have lawful authority to shoot over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I booked some payed stalking and they removed it when i produced the letter Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) It's 'licence', not 'license' Although, technically, it's given to you as a certificate, so it's best to refer to it as it is named. Edited September 4, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Billy, if you are going to pointlessly correct peoples' spelling, you really should be sure that you are correct, or it'll be you that's made to look silly. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Billy, if you are going to pointlessly correct peoples' spelling, you really should be sure that you are correct, or it'll be you that's made to look silly. Andy Enlighten me, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 bet he has a US spellchecker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) bet he has a US spellchecker Strictly speaking 'License' is also British word. "I license this person" is correct, as license is a verb. Licence is a noun. Edited September 5, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Strictly speaking 'License' is also British word. "I license this person" is correct, as license is a verb. Licence is a noun. eye karnt reed an eye karnt rite butt eye kin driive a trackter . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Sorry sorry sorry, it looks like I'm the silly billy. Oh well, never too old to learn. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I never use the terms "open" or "closed". A better way to ask would be to write something like... Dear Mr (you should know the chiefs name), I am writing to you to request the removal of the land restictions from my firearms certificate. In the three years I have been shooting I feel that I have gained sufficient experience to judge the suitability of land for myself, and now I am gaining a good relationship with local land owners I am having to turn down new shooting opportunities on a regular basis. The land owners I shoot for often recommend my services to their neighbours when they have problems wth pests but unfortunately with my current conditions I am unable to help them within a reasonable time. Please consider my request and feel free to contact me if you wish to ask any questions regarding this matter. Many thanks, Damn it, I forgot the OP's user name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I never use the terms "open" or "closed". A better way to ask would be to write something like... Dear Mr (you should know the chiefs name), I am writing to you to request the removal of the land restictions from my firearms certificate. In the three years I have been shooting I feel that I have gained sufficient experience to judge the suitability of land for myself, and now I am gaining a good relationship with local land owners I am having to turn down new shooting opportunities on a regular basis. The land owners I shoot for often recommend my services to their neighbours when they have problems wth pests but unfortunately with my current conditions I am unable to help them within a reasonable time. Please consider my request and feel free to contact me if you wish to ask any questions regarding this matter. Many thanks, Damn it, I forgot the OP's user name! This reads almost exactly like the letter I enclosed with my licence when I applied for a variation. Also Cheshire so I hope you've shot more ammo than I have because they refused me saying I hadn't shot enough! Good luck with it anyway GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 This reads almost exactly like the letter I enclosed with my licence when I applied for a variation. Also Cheshire so I hope you've shot more ammo than I have because they refused me saying I hadn't shot enough! Good luck with it anyway GH Oh well take up target shooting every sunday, shoot with r.o 's everywere and a great backstop in one direction and they will give you one like a sweetie. 100 shots in the field is way more experiance than 10,000 on a range as regards assesing the risk of each individual shot. over a five year period thats approx one fox or deer a week with a centrefire. I wonder what they would state you needed in the way of round count- you could just book a full day at the range and plink your way through it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Oh well take up target shooting every sunday, shoot with r.o 's everywere and a great backstop in one direction and they will give you one like a sweetie. 100 shots in the field is way more experiance than 10,000 on a range as regards assesing the risk of each individual shot. over a five year period thats approx one fox or deer a week with a centrefire. I wonder what they would state you needed in the way of round count- you could just book a full day at the range and plink your way through it When I applied for my open ticket I had done exactly that. Over half of my round count was on the range but they didn't ask so I didn't tell them. Experience comes from time in the field not shots fired. You could spend a year in the field with an experienced shot, never pull the trigger yourself even once and still be a better bet on an open ticket than someone who had been to the range every week for the same amount of time. To get where you want to be with an open FAC you have to play the game they set out for you. There's no rule book for that game apart from to give them what they need to see. If they need to see rounds fired then fire them. Stick a target out and fire a load of zeroing rounds before each bunny bashing session. Get references from other more experienced shooters even if it means clearing it with your farmers so you can share your land with them so they can shoot with you. Do absolutely everything you can to build the profile they want to see as quickly as you can. Pretty much every restricted FAC holder I know has been out shooting with me. Holding the lamp, spotting, or I've shot with them on their ground or just lamped for them. I'll quite happily write a reference to say that I think they're safe to be allowed out on their own as long as they are and that seems to go a long way. Several people have tried and failed to ge their restrictions removed until I have given the police that little bit of reassurance that actually, they have been winessed to be safe. That's not all me being nice, at the same time I'm building a profile of my contacts for my own file. When the police look at my paper trail my access to land and my shooting contacts are vast - making me an even better reference for the next guy. I'm also more likely to get what I'm asking for myself because of the spread of my activities. Shooters can be a strange bunch. We're often very solitary and that really doesn't help our cause. It's easy for a FEO to say "no, you're not experienced enough yet" but if someone with an open FAC simply writes in saying "I've been shooting with Mr ? for some time now and in my opinion he has reached a point where he would be safe to judge ground for himself", it's hard for them to question that. They don't know you and all they want is to know that the guy they're allowing the freedom to is safe. That decision becomes a lot easier if someone who has already been given that freedom gives them the nod to say that they won't be making a bad decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I'm in Cheshire too and an open cert on first renewal is normal but the present FEO is a bit of a pain and it would be useful (if you are in BASC) to talk to them before you submit the letter and copy them in to the replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Hi Jamie. I applied for an open just after three years and got it. I then applied for 17REM and that is on a closed restriction for three years. In a nutshell then I was advised that Leic's policy is min 3 use years for any class of firearm apart from special circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) i had all mine opend in 8 mths 22/17/243/308 .i think its down to your area .also mine are mostly work related that might of helped. work related roadkill Edited September 8, 2011 by bignoel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 that's a bit of a pain - so it's a semi-open ticket. why not go for a .308 then anything your likely to get after that is smaller and you won't have to have it closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Rang my feo and he said 'no chance' suffolk constabulary makes you wait the full 5 years I had to wait five years as well, then the FEO told me that I should be mentored (he wasn't my regular FEO)so waited until mine was back,and hey presto, open certificate. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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