Help with optics please....HMR

[Haytime]

Hi,

 

After some help please.

 

I have just bought a Leapers UTG 4-16x40 for my HMR.

 

I shoot rabbits and corvids out to about 100-120 yds.

 

It looks like I have paid the price for buying cheap glass......its shocking to say the least. It holds zero, but the image is that poor I would not attempt a headshot at anything over 70yds.

 

Looking to spend about £200 on a replacement, what sort of mag do I need at that range and any makes to avoid, other than Leapers !!

 

Any advice you can give would be grateful.

 

Regards

 

Haytime

[bruno22rf]

Are you sure that its set for your eyes?-any parralax adjustment on it?These are in no way the best of the optics available but you should be ok for 200 yards with one-do they not have a 5 year warranty?-maybe return it to the supplier and try another.

[Haytime]

That was my option to return it.

 

I have a friend who will try it out for me, will be worried if its just my peepers....lol.

 

The do have good ish reviews, maybe I have a duff 'un ?

[Gimlet]

I may be wrong but I've a feeling Leapers scopes are air-rifle specific in which case they're likely to have parallax fixed at 50 yds. No use at all for an HMR. In any case they are a Chinese made cheapie.

The HMR will head shoot rabbits all day long at 150 yds. Its not a huge target at that range and you want decent glass, and really, variable parallax.

Focus adjustment on the object lens will do since you can turn it to 120 yds and leave it there unless you chance upon a close range shot. The new Weaver range are getting very good reviews for the money, but you won't get one for £200. I would say look out for a second hand Leupold with a 50mm object and parallax adjustment. They make very good s/h buys, tough as old boots and better light gathering than they're given credit for. Small reticles and long eye relief not to everyone's taste but underrated in my opinion.

Edited September 2, 2012 by Gimlet

[12borejimbo]

Not telling you how to suck eggs, but have you focused the scope by using the ring at the back of the eye bell?

For £200 I would be buying an MTC scope or looking at decent second hand makes like Leupold, Redfield, Falcoln and even a high end Hake scope. Dont go too mad, 4-16x50 should suit you fine.

Edited September 2, 2012 by 12borejimbo

[Cottonseed]

I think you may not have set it up right, but for the price you mention, I'd recommend the Redfield Revolution 4-12 x40 I have on my .17HMR.

[Thedeerman]

I'd get a fixed 10x MTC scope. Fantastic for the money and how often do you adjust your mag on a variable anyway?!?

 

Or a Nikko sterling nighteater fixed 12x. I have one on my hornet and love it.

Edited September 2, 2012 by zeff1357

[pigeonblasterian]

Got an Mtc Genesis scope on my .17hmr and it is more than adequate.

[Catweazle]

HMR is quite capable of 150yd headshots on rabbits, so a mag of 16x is nice but don't get hung up on it. As long as the crosshairs are sharp and don't wander when you move your head ( ie. the parallax is set correctly ) then you can use lower mag scopes like 10x with no problems.

[Olliesims]

I use a hawke sports hd ir 4-12x50 on mine and it's pretty clear optics for a £70 scope, can head shot to 150 no problem

[houlsby]

Iv just put a Simmons prohunter 4-12-44 with adj parallax on my hmr, great little scope and good for the lamp.

 

Think it retails for £84. I got my s/hand

Edited September 3, 2012 by houlsby

[Haytime]

Thanks for the advice.

 

It would appear its not the scope, but me....go figure?

 

I have only ever shot with mil grade scopes, so I need to chin up and crack on.

 

But I think a better branded scope is now on the cards.

 

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

Haytime

 

 

[12borejimbo]

Thanks for the advice.

 

It would appear its not the scope, but me....go figure?

 

I have only ever shot with mil grade scopes, so I need to chin up and crack on.

 

But I think a better branded scope is now on the cards.

 

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

Haytime

 

The thing with good scopes is they are an investment, they never loase money and will always be reliable.

[Deiseboy]

I have a 4-16x50 scope on my hmr and to be honest I rarely go above 10 on it for rabbit headshots within 150 yards. The extra mag is handy sometimes though for longer shots. on 10 you can point and shoot close out to 150. I found on higher mag you had to adjust the parallax too which is grand during the day but if lamping its just another thing to have to do so i didnt bother.

 

Bushnell banner 6-18x50 is getting great reviews and is on sale on most uk optics shops for £99.

[30-6]

It's suprising how quickly your eyes will alter as you get older. I have recently re-adjusted the focus ring on the "in" side to sharpen the reticule, it has made a massive difference, but don't do it in the field while out shooting as it alters your zero.

[scamp]

I use a Zeiss Duralyt 3-12x50 on my Anschutz hmr, have shot loads of foxes with this combination.

[tweedledee]

leupol,burris or redfield

[Alycidon]

Return it, it should be suitable for the purpose. Have a Simmons instead, good but cheap scopes. Dont dismiss higher quality used optics, a nice fixed power 6x42 from the likes of Luepold, Pecar etc would fit the bill.

 

There is a nice Ziess 4x32 here for £175 and a Luepold Vari X 2 at £275 so excellent deals. The Ziess may well be a bit battered externally for that prices but the clarity will be superb.

 

http://www.rmacleod.co.uk/CUSTOMER%20S_H%20STOCK%20LIST.pdf

 

 

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Edited September 10, 2012 by Alycidon

[mick miller]

Another vote for the mtc Genesis. Stevebwales uses one as well, great optics for the money and no white out as you get with other mtc scopes.

[jam1e]

It always makes me laugh, (almost as much as the dealer i expect), when people spend hundreds of pounds on rimfire glass!

So unecessary. I have never paid over £100 for a rimfire scope and have shot hundreds of rabbits, hares, crows, pigeons at various ranges, some well over 100 yards. And i've never had a problem. I even used a Hawke scope on a .243 for several hundred rounds, taking numerous foxes with no problem, before putting it back on a rimfire. Where it continued to give great performance for a long time before i sold it on.

I would bet the issue is the scope, or with respect you.

Don't fall for the old "pay as much as you can afford" B.S.

Although i would advise checking how big the centre of the recticle is at around 100 yards as some recticles can look huge compared to your quarry at that distance!

Edited September 13, 2012 by jam1e

[12borejimbo]

It always makes me laugh, (almost as much as the dealer i expect), when people spend hundreds of pounds on rimfire glass!

So unecessary. I have never paid over £100 for a rimfire scope and have shot hundreds of rabbits, hares, crows, pidgeons at various ranges, some well over 100 yards. And i've never had a problem. I even used a Hawke scope on a .243 for several hundred rounds, taking numerous foxes with no problem, before putting it back on a rimfire. Where it continued to give great performance for a long time before i sold it on.

I would bet the issue is the scope, or with respect you.

Don't fall for the old "pay as much as you can afford" B.S.

Although i would advise checking how big the centre of the recticle is at around 100 yards as some recticles can look huge compared to your quarry at that distance!

 

Says the bloke who is applying for his FAC................

I dont want to have a pathertic row and a scope with a crosshair will point and shoot, however whats the point of shooting at something if you cant see it?

Get my drift?

[Whitebridges]

It always makes me laugh, (almost as much as the dealer i expect), when people spend hundreds of pounds on rimfire glass!

So unecessary. I have never paid over £100 for a rimfire scope and have shot hundreds of rabbits, hares, crows, pidgeons at various ranges, some well over 100 yards. And i've never had a problem. I even used a Hawke scope on a .243 for several hundred rounds, taking numerous foxes with no problem, before putting it back on a rimfire. Where it continued to give great performance for a long time before i sold it on.

I would bet the issue is the scope, or with respect you.

Don't fall for the old "pay as much as you can afford" B.S.

Although i would advise checking how big the centre of the recticle is at around 100 yards as some recticles can look huge compared to your quarry at that distance!

 

Is this post yours? http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/221153-so-who-has-the-final-say-on-granting-an-fac/

 

If you read the responses most people are using cheaper glass on their rimfires, all to the good I say.

However best keep your opinions to to yourself regarding top quality glass on a rimfire. It isn't ******** is it? Think about it. If you ever had a pot of money and liked your small varmint shooting what would you do? Put some 4x32 Tasco **** on top of your gun?

"Pay as much as you can afford.....(on glass) " gentlemen. Bloody good advice. Remember the bloke who dies with the best and most toys wins.

[jam1e]

Says the bloke who is applying for his FAC................

I dont want to have a pathertic row and a scope with a crosshair will point and shoot, however whats the point of shooting at something if you cant see it?

Get my drift?

 

You would see plenty good enough for a rimfire with a £100 scope, fact...

Edited September 13, 2012 by jam1e

[al4x]

All depends on your shooting, I've got a cheapie on my Hmr and it means you need the lamp about 15 minutes or more before I need it with my .243. It comes down to budget but what I will say is buy a decent one second hand and it will last and not go down in value whereas the cheapie will have a limited lifespan

[Amazed]

keep your eyes on the for sale section lots of good deals come along

 

I do agree in saying try and get the better quality glass without out pricing your self. It will let you see further and for longer in low light. And may give you more confidence.

 

All the best

 

Karl.