kyska Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 But that is the posters question, without shooting. Do we know the location, is that location within a built up area ? Is it rural, is it overlooked or close by to neighbours who might object to the use of a shotgun? Blackpowder I think the salient point is, don't trap an animal, without suitable means of dispatch, 5 pages of nonsense....if you are intending to trap and kill an animal....have the means to kill it humanely. Rocket science its not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 But that is the posters question, without shooting. Do we know the location, is that location within a built up area ? Is it rural, is it overlooked or close by to neighbours who might object to the use of a shotgun? Blackpowder Sorry fella, I was playing with the fact you wrote "Blackpowder", which would be humane, but messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 IMO the only way to dispatch a caged fox is with a full power firearm, whether it's a shotgun or rifle. Any other way I think is cruel, not to mention the dubious legality of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagiKelly Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I am siding with the main thing being mentioned tho why trap it if you carnt finish it off it just seems cruel to me. This keeps coming up. Who is trapping foxes without having the means to dispatch them? I asked the question. As of yet no trap has even been bought or constructed. I am making sure that the means of dispatch are sorted out in advance in line withe the law and I hope best practice. I have asked on this forum to ensure the chosen method is humane. Now as I asked a while ago. Does a 12 gauge not ruin the trap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) This keeps coming up. Who is trapping foxes without having the means to dispatch them? I asked the question. As of yet no trap has even been bought or constructed. I am making sure that the means of dispatch are sorted out in advance in line withe the law and I hope best practice. I have asked on this forum to ensure the chosen method is humane. Now as I asked a while ago. Does a 12 gauge not ruin the trap? I would think a 12g might ruin the trap. I use a single barrel .410 with 2" cartridges. Fairly quiet and instant. Edited November 20, 2012 by walshie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Now as I asked a while ago. Does a 12 gauge not ruin the trap? Someone already addressed this; not if you poke it through the wire and ensure the impact is absorbed within the animal which I personally think would be difficult to do with a 12g. The most sensible seems to be a 410 with 2" shells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'm sure there is dozens of members who would happily nip round and shoot it at a moments notice with a suitable gun/rifle, even in a built up area all it takes is a quick phone call to the police before you pull the trigger to explain your humanely dispatching a fox at there address, job done! If they're local to me I'll happily do it in exchange for half a dozen eggs per fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Lump hammer, if they can scruff the fox..but i wouldnt set Any trap if i didnt have the means to dispatch caught creature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosdesilva Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 place the trap with fox infront of the tv while strictly is on, and im sure it will top its self! It makes me want to ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) This must be one of the most depressing threads yet, and there's been a few to choose from. I can't believe its still going. This is a public forum for God's sake. Anyone can wonder in. How to kill a fox without a firearm: we've had gassing, drowning, baseball bats, electrocution, lump hammers, air rifles, nail guns and God knows what else. I know much of its been tongue in cheek, but enough. You despatch a trapped fox with a firearm, a proper one; and if you haven't one at your disposal you don't set the bloody trap in the first place. The end. Edited November 25, 2012 by Gimlet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Now as I asked a while ago. Does a 12 gauge not ruin the trap? depends on the mesh size of trap if you think about it the barrel can be easily pushed slowly through the mesh, holding the barrel half inch away from skull, BANG, fox dead I used a single barrel pedretti hushpower, purely for fox dispatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Flippin' heck how complicated does it have to be? just drive it a few miles away and release it. Its not illegal so you don't have to worry about anyone seeing you. Thats what I do now that the local dump charges for taking dead ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Flippin' heck how complicated does it have to be? just drive it a few miles away and release it. Its not illegal so you don't have to worry about anyone seeing you. Thats what I do now that the local dump charges for taking dead ones. Hmmm. Not sure if this is serious or not. Firstly if you released it, it would find it's way back. Secondly, it IS illegal and thirdly, how does the dump know what you're dumping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) Hmmm. Not sure if this is serious or not. Firstly if you released it, it would find it's way back. Secondly, it IS illegal and thirdly, how does the dump know what you're dumping? First its not illegal, most definitely isn't illegal. They are a native species, its only illegal to re-release non native species like grey squirrels, mink etc. Lots of pest controllers advertise the fact that they re-release the foxes as a major selling point. Housewives are much more likely to pay to have the foxes removed than they are to have them killed. If you tell them you are going to kill the fox a lot, probably the majority, of them will start having second thoughts. At £60 a fox its worth a fifteen minute drive to the woods. Secondly they are not homing pigeons none of the ones I've released have ever come back if you drive them far enough away, a few miles is enough. Thirdly, our local dump used to take "dead pets" for free but now they charge. Dumping a dead fox in the ordinary skips would be illegal as it a bio hazard, I doubt they would notice a one off but they would cotton on if you did it regularly Edited November 26, 2012 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Hmmm. Not sure if this is serious or not. Firstly if you released it, it would find it's way back. Secondly, it IS illegal and thirdly, how does the dump know what you're dumping? What is Illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 First its not illegal, most definitely isn't illegal. They are a native species, its only illegal to re-release non native species like grey squirrels, mink etc. Lots of pest controllers advertise the fact that they re-release the foxes as a major selling point. Housewives are much more likely to pay to have the foxes removed than they are to have them killed. If you tell them you are going to kill the fox a lot, probably the majority, of them will start having second thoughts. At £60 a fox its worth a fifteen minute drive to the woods. Secondly they are not homing pigeons none of the ones I've released have ever come back if you drive them far enough away, a few miles is enough. Thirdly, our local dump used to take "dead pets" for free but now they charge. Dumping a dead fox in the ordinary skips would be illegal as it a bio hazard, I doubt they would notice a one off but they would cotton on if you did it regularly I believe your serious on this and cant find words that wont be deleted from here ok, you may tell the customer it will be released to "get the business" don't mean you need to follow it to the letter releasing 15 odd miles away could be seen as cruelty to the wild animals act, your removing it from its home and putting it into an unknown area, food,water,? your placing it in danger from other foxes, by releasing into others domain a single dead fox can be left in any council bin, household or otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 , I doubt they would notice a one off but they would cotton on if you did it regularly WHY??? you would not place it in a recycle bin, or kitchen waste it would go into normal household waste, that in turn gets dumped in landfill, no one searches through this, apart from foxes,crows and rats, I'm sure they wont say anything I have used this method 100's of times big brother is not watching me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) Ok, if you filled your domestic dustbin with foxes every week someone may raise an objection, but look at the reality.... Joe Public visits his game dealer and buys a whole Deer, several Pheasant and a couple of Hares, he skins, cleans and bones them and then what? He makes an appointent at the nearest bio hazard waste treatment site? Where have all your chicken and beef and lamb and pork and fish and poultry etc, waste gone over the years? In the bin! :good: Edited November 26, 2012 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Ha Ha... as usual we seem to have diverted from the original question somewhat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 What is Illegal? I thought releasing a caged fox was illegal under some wildlife act or other. If not, it should be as the fox will almost certainly starve to death if released into another foxes territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 god you hear some drivel on here, not sure whats worse people flytipping foxes or the suggestion that such a creative scavenger will starve in a new area. Their biggest risk round here if they get dumped is a 75grn vmax going rather fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Its a straight forward business decision. People who pay to have foxes trapped, in general, don't want them killed. So you just want to get rid of the stinking animal as quickly and as cheaply as possible with the least amount of hassle.What happens to it after that, I really couldn't care less, but I have heard no reports of starving foxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 depends on the mesh size of trap if you think about it the barrel can be easily pushed slowly through the mesh, holding the barrel half inch away from skull, BANG, fox dead I used a single barrel pedretti hushpower, purely for fox dispatch Perfect gun for dispatch, but just for safetys sake I'd recommend a little further than half inch from the head, the HSA recommend 20cm for larger animals, just in case they move as you pull the trigger, and occlude the barrels, killing yourself...which Brian May would **** his pants at, and I couldn't stand him laughing at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodlittlebitch Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Just do what the RSPCA do - take it elsewhere in the car and let it go ... :yp: Yeah normally on a housing estate :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Ill get lynched saying this but a 12ft/lb rifle will dispatch a fox easly at this range. Point blank and you can guarantee where you hit it (you would have to show them where to shoot to kill instantly) They could get one and keep it in house. I totally disagree with shooting fox with air rifles in any other situation, but I can't think of a more humain way for your friends without a license. your right u may get linched i would bin this program, even though its probably better than hitting them with a spoon till there unconscious, i would seek either professional help ie u shoot them with a mod.410 or release them elsewhere in there traps under the proviso it is for there own health and safety, as this has got to be proven it is better for there welfare to be moved... Edited January 27, 2013 by delburt0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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