HDAV Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I have to say that a non-firearm air rifle 11-12ftlbs at point blank is a pretty devastating tool, knowing the penetration it has at this range I would have thought it was more than adequate to despatch a caged fox. I would suggest any doubters borrow an air rifle and test some other similar substances to a foxes skull to conclude this issue. Yet seen a squirrel take 3 .22 pellets from non FAC gun to despatch........its all about placement if its perfect it will do the job. A shotgun (regardless of the gauge will do the job and does not require the pin point accuracy of a humane kill with a non FAC air rifle. and unless you are buying cheap Chinese or co2 guns a single shotgun and certificate is cheaper (ok need cabinet/clamp) but close call. And will despatch a Fox not in a trap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 A thought on this. In a slaughterhouse where they use captive bolt or low-powered guns to kill, the shot / bolt to the head is only considered to stun the animal, killing it done by opening a blood vessel. So, if trying to kill a fox with an air rifle perhaps it would be wise to remove it from the trap afterwards and smash it's head in to make sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 dont set a snare unless you can deal with what gets trapped. I hate snares are they still legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 A thought on this. In a slaughterhouse where they use captive bolt or low-powered guns to kill, the shot / bolt to the head is only considered to stun the animal, killing it done by opening a blood vessel. Or Pithing......... I wouldnt fancy pithing a stunned fox.....or any animal for that matter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Or Pithing......... I wouldnt fancy pithing a stunned fox.....or any animal for that matter! It isn't difficult, it also helps stop blood flow so it can keep things a bit cleaner. It isn't much used anyway, not much call generally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 how about offer someone some free fox shooting on here and this will save trapping them to start with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rizzini Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Just a thought. Put the trap with fox in a large bin bag. Place said bin bag over an exhaust pipe, petrol engine and start engine. Fox goes unconscious then you can hit it on the head. could end up killing yourself lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 You could invite JonathanL round to discuss cautions/convictions and police brutality. I'm sure that would put the fox to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Some people on here have some very strange views on" how to kill a fox" and i would rather see it walk away than be left to the fate that some have for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 some strange advice,,great read tho,,kill a fox with an air rifle but dont shoot a pheasant with one :lol: :lol: :lol: amazing, if i was you mate just go round yourself and shoot it, failing that, ring someone else to do it,,good luck with whatever your choice is. this forum really ceases to amaze me :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 You could invite JonathanL round to discuss cautions/convictions and police brutality. I'm sure that would put the fox to sleep. cant wait for the reply to that one harry :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 You could invite JonathanL round to discuss cautions/convictions and police brutality. I'm sure that would put the fox to sleep. Or get your local Bobby to put it into the cage for you, then while it's still unconscious you could kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Id used my hushpower .410 for the job its quiet and not overkill like 12bore, I have no doubt a 12ft lb could kill a fox but would rather use a shotgun. overkill? what is that? 12guage, at close range should be enough even with 7.5 subs.i`m nt advocating 7.5s on animals normaly. but at point blank range is a no brainer, use what you have. i cant believe some of the answers to this thread. f- crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 brilliant thread. lol. in my opinion, although i believe that an air rifle would probably do the job at point blank range, it wouldnt be my ideal choice to use one, infact, i wouldnt. as alot of people will agree, it's not really the done thing, and some would class it as inhumane. im not slating those who choose to do it, each to their own, but i just wouldnt. a shotgun is far more effective, especially considering that by the sound of things, the people the OP is talking about, have little or no experience with guns or air rifles which would also lead me to believe that they are probably not the best people to be dispatching these foxes, especially not with an air rifle. just my 2 pence..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 overkill? what is that? 12guage, at close range should be enough even with 7.5 subs.i`m nt advocating 7.5s on animals normaly. but at point blank range is a no brainer, use what you have. i cant believe some of the answers to this thread. f- crazy. I'm interested to know your definition of overkill, or do you believe it doesn't exist? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagiKelly Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 A mentioned the couple are not particularly familiar with guns but not squeamish. I had initially thought there may me a tech nice for pinning the fox down with a forked stick etc them using some form of spike to dispatch it but it seems guns of one form or another are the favoured route. If I am to just use my 12 gauge will it not damage the trap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) A mentioned the couple are not particularly familiar with guns but not squeamish. I had initially thought there may me a tech nice for pinning the fox down with a forked stick etc them using some form of spike to dispatch it but it seems guns of one form or another are the favoured route. If I am to just use my 12 gauge will it not damage the trap? You can get crush cages and divides to direct/pin the fox to one end of the trap. What you do to it then is open to many options! ....and with any gun you need to direct it through the wire when you pull the trigger and endeavour to deliver it entirely into the quarry, not blast out the back or side of the trap with too powerful or too wide spreading tools! That isn't easy even with a .22lr with a mod, and yes, if you get it wrong with any gun watch out for a messed up trap, injured fox and ricochets, 12g :hmm: ! ATB! Edited November 20, 2012 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stavvy Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Bait the trap with a 1977 vintage port and once the blighter is inebriated strike the bounder with ones croquet mallet. Glad I could be of assistance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I'm interested to know your definition of overkill, or do you believe it doesn't exist? Cheers 10gauge 00 is overkill, 12gauge should do nicely, even a 20gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 your trying to blow its brains out, god forbid hurting it We are talking about the most humane way to kill. An air rifle placed in The right place would be much better than then using other methods available to them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam-1990 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 overkill? what is that? 12guage, at close range should be enough even with 7.5 subs.i`m nt advocating 7.5s on animals normaly. but at point blank range is a no brainer, use what you have. i cant believe some of the answers to this thread. f- crazy. I dont understand what you're getting at Im not saying a 12bore would not do the job but at more or less point blank range that power is not needed a .410 would suffice just fine and not make a huge bang and splatter the trap up to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remy 700 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Fisher uk you have the best option I have read so far , (and if you cant see his sense of humour then oh dear) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Is there a sensible way without a gun? As said gassing or drowning are illegal, transferring to a sack and using a baseball bat might just be legal if you hit it properly. A nail gun is just ******* stupid other than that there isn't much choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 "How to dispatch a fox in a live trap without a gun? Blackpowder That would be a bit messy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 That would be a bit messy But that is the posters question, without shooting. Do we know the location, is that location within a built up area ? Is it rural, is it overlooked or close by to neighbours who might object to the use of a shotgun? Blackpowder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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