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On 13/03/2020 at 10:14, bang bang birdy said:

The serial number is 069, the build quality on it is unbelievable for such an old gun, if it keeps going as it is it will outlast my boy who’s 11.

The model 620 was manufactured from 1927 until 1939, with the 20g being introduced in 1930. The 620A was made between 1940 and 1955. Fundamental difference is the flat mainspring in the 620 and coil spring in the 620A, due to the shortened tang and stock attachment in the later model.

Please note (if you haven’t already realised) these guns will slam fire, in other words, if the trigger is held back and the action cycled, it will fire when returned to battery. There is no disconnector. I would council caution with your son, maybe loading singly until he is 100% familiar with the full operation of the shotgun. A slam fire can at best hit you in the face with an unshouldered gun or at worst put an unintentional shot where it should not go. That said, it is not a fault nor a designed in feature, simply a product of a bygone age where litigation and health and safety were not kings.

Enjoying, relishing the history and being safe by training is what I would promote with your lad.

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He is just using it as a single shot at the moment till he gets used to it. A pump was not my first choice for him, but I fancied one, it was a bargain and on the door step, he is still very comfortable with his yildz 410, so we will see who uses the pump the most

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Maybe not the first choice, but the best IMHO! My grandson uses my 20g single shot lever action Ithaca M66 and does really well with it. He looks forward to my M37 20g pump! With your 620 I believe you have really scored a fantastic piece of history. Hopefully a next generation pump club member too!

 

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14 minutes ago, impala59 said:

Maybe not the first choice, but the best IMHO! My grandson uses my 20g single shot lever action Ithaca M66 and does really well with it. He looks forward to my M37 20g pump! With your 620 I believe you have really scored a fantastic piece of history. Hopefully a next generation pump club member too!

 

I really should should reading your posts, obviously I had to Google the M66...... 😂

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3 minutes ago, Farmboy91 said:

Just had a look online, can't seem to find one in the UK anywhere, probably a good thing haha.

It turned up at an auction and is a strange little thing, lever action to break the gun , then, after closing, manually cock the hammer. Not the fastest gun in the west but a good trainer for the boy

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34 minutes ago, impala59 said:

It turned up at an auction and is a strange little thing, lever action to break the gun , then, after closing, manually cock the hammer. Not the fastest gun in the west but a good trainer for the boy

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I don't think my lad would get a look in! Thanks for sharing the picture 👍 I do always have a browse through the single barrel section of Holt's for something a bit different. 

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1 hour ago, Farmboy91 said:

I don't think my lad would get a look in! Thanks for sharing the picture 👍 I do always have a browse through the single barrel section of Holt's for something a bit different. 

Check out Cooey's and Harrington & Richardson Toppers, vastly underrated and dirt cheap singles

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6 minutes ago, impala59 said:

Check out Cooey's and Harrington & Richardson Toppers, vastly underrated and dirt cheap singles

I'll keep an eye out, space is pretty tight at the moment along with cash so whatever I have won't be yet unfortunately. 

Probably be something to replace the greener.

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Just had another look through the Holt's sealed bid catalogue, they have got a sec 1 97 estimate £400-600. 

It would be nice but not as nice as a the proper trench gun. It's a shame that sec 7 doesn't cover shotgun's too as I think a 97 trench gun definitely has the historical argument. I don't think anyone that goes through the process of sec 7 is likely to abuse it but there you go.

Might have to settle for a de-act.

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But a 97 you can shoot would be a hoot on the clays!

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11 minutes ago, impala59 said:

But a 97 you can shoot would be a hoot on the clays!

Yeah there is no denying that, I like the idea of what @Sco77w was aiming for on the previous page, maybe get one and not try and make a fake trench gun but add the heat shield atleast. 

How many sec2's have you seen?

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they do turn up. I sort by highest price on Guntrader (for pumps) reasonably often and there's been a few sec2's

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Alongside the famous (and vastly expensive now)Trench Guns, were riot guns (short barrel no adornments) and training guns, all of which were vital to the US forces during the world wars. Any 1897 is a living piece of history in itself, not in my opinion a museum piece or wallhanger. All my shotguns are live and are rotated and used, admittedly I have sort of specialised in Ithaca's, but if money and space were no object I would scour the sales for all the unusual, oddball and historic stuff that is out there and becomes available now and then. I was an engineer by trade and levers, cams, ramps, pivots and the like are what floats my boat. Think of a pump gun in 1900 and an aeroplane or car of the same age, the gun has hardly changed and a vintage gun will do the same job today as it did then. I have always said that in the game "what dinner guest from any time would you choose?" Mine would be John Moses Browning

 

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It would definitely be fascinating to be able to pick he's brain for the evening, no doubt about it.

I would definitely prefer a live one, to think what stories it could If it could talk. Hopefully this time next year I'll be in a better position to be able to add to the collection. I'd quite like an Ithaca bottom ejector too. 

Certain things are as important to use as preserve.  

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I picked up an old A5 at the shooting show... turns out it was from 1907 complete with straight stock and square profile recoil spring. I put 250 rounds through it in two sessions with zero malfunctions. Couldn't be more pleased! It's now my main clay gun. Not bad for an auto that's 113 years old

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Morning from a sunny Devon,

                                                            Day 5 of self isolation so going through 'stuff' on my computer and found a photo of two of my Winchesters together which is I guess is fairly uncommon sight. 

                                                            At the top is my Winchester 1897 Black Diamond Trap in 12 gauge from 1910, and below is my Winchester 62A in .22rf from 1941. The ^"A or one just like it was the first firearm I ever fired as a 12yr old at Wilson's Funfair in Kenilworth, Warwickshire in the early '60's. Apologies for poor quality of photo.

A 'live' .22 shooting range complete with ducks on moving chains and pin pong balls in jets of water was still doing the steam fair circuits in the early 2000's, I saw it in action at Banbury and Dorset steam fairs.

Happy Days

Steve 

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7 hours ago, stevethejeep said:

Morning from a sunny Devon,

                                                            Day 5 of self isolation so going through 'stuff' on my computer and found a photo of two of my Winchesters together which is I guess is fairly uncommon sight. 

                                                            At the top is my Winchester 1897 Black Diamond Trap in 12 gauge from 1910, and below is my Winchester 62A in .22rf from 1941. The ^"A or one just like it was the first firearm I ever fired as a 12yr old at Wilson's Funfair in Kenilworth, Warwickshire in the early '60's. Apologies for poor quality of photo.

A 'live' .22 shooting range complete with ducks on moving chains and pin pong balls in jets of water was still doing the steam fair circuits in the early 2000's, I saw it in action at Banbury and Dorset steam fairs.

Happy Days

Steve 

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Having seen them in the 'flesh ' so to speak, I can testify that they are indeed a lovely pair,

Stay well Steve

 

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There was a very similar rf pump on freeads before they stopped the sporting goods section. If I remember correctly it was £100 which seemed an absolute bargain, it really did catch my eye.

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If the 62A was in good order that would be a bargain as on GT and GS they currently range from £195 for a Rossi copy to an ambitious £795 !

Mine's a 1941 just before production stopped due to the Yanks entering WW2, works perfectly, I love shooting it and can still get a 3" group at 50 yards.

Regards to all

Steve  

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Took the new Mossburg 590 Persuader out to day.Thought I would try it on the Clay's,hit 66 out of 75.

Well pleased.

Went out yesterday chasing the pigeons but no much about at the moment.

The Mossy has cylinder bore,but I'm still smashing Clay's out to 35 40 yards .

Think this one is definitely a keeper.20200628_144824.jpg.0c59ca5c8840b067498207bcda97777d.jpg

 

 

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I recently bought a 500 20bore and absolutely love it , was shooting low so altered a shim to fit so its shooting spot on now , changed the follower to a stainless steel one which makes it as smooth as butter , changed the saftey to a steel one and splashed out on a 1/4 extended choke  and a hogue forend , really pleased with the way it shoots and handles just need to learn how to hit stuff now 😂

if anybody needs a “capped allan head screw “ for a new safety button i had to by a packet of them to change mine so have some spare

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I use my persuader on clays as well, with cylinder barrel I do okay 🙂 I shall probably take it Kibworth Tommorow 🙂

 

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