WelshAndy Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Why? They're on general licence. They're vermin. Same as pigeons.......................... and you don't hear all this guff about pigeons My thoughts exactly people get congratulated for shooting 100 pigeons but ridiculed for shooting more than a dozen canada geese! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Incorrect, they quite rightly get ridiculed for shooting more than half a dozen, and any at all out of season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Personally I never shoot more than I can carry so usually 3 and I'm done and I stick to the season. What I meant was there are always stories of massive bags of pigeons and it is celebrated, where I am geographically there are very few pigeons but hundreds of canada geese. They are both classed as vermin so why shouldn't I go out and shoot massive bags of canada's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 if they are doing significant damage then crack on, they are on the general license for a reason and their numbers are going up rather than down. Sadly there is a significant thing with wildfowlers of looking after their own interests rather than the landowner and in this case its a prime example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Incorrect, they quite rightly get ridiculed for shooting more than half a dozen, and any at all out of season. Why would that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washwildfowler Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 If I were you I would watch them flying in and hammer them in the air. (you may as well get some sport out of it!!) after a while this should deter them from the field where they feed. also using steel in shotguns is not straight forward - make sure your barrels are up to it. can't you tell I've never been wildfowling in my life !!! I Don't think hammering them in the Air would be very safe....... those hammers can be very dangerous you know when falling out the sky .... especially if there is any puplic walking by ....... plus I would think you would need a good arm for throwing those hammers at geese ... on a more serious note . I would do everything possible to move the geese on before going to the extreme of shooting them with a shot gun or even worse a rifle . there are plenty of others methods that work and well plesse have a good think before you act .especially with it being nesting time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 crack on and get them shot, no need to move them on or scare them off use whatever means you can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) Canada Geese always evoke, opposing views. Wildfowlers..... don't ever shoot out of season or more than you need, etc. Pest Control.....take whatever you can, whenever you can to solve the problem. "Sport Shooter/Opportunist"....... am I allowed to shoot Canada Geese? These views will NEVER come together! Edited March 10, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 crack on and get them shot, no need to move them on or scare them off use whatever means you can! Exactly they are on the general licence and can be shot all year round.You do not have to bother about when they will be nesting as with all the other birds that do not have a closed season on the general licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrob Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I Don't think hammering them in the Air would be very safe....... those hammers can be very dangerous you know when falling out the sky .... especially if there is any puplic walking by ....... plus I would think you would need a good arm for throwing those hammers at geese ... on a more serious note . I would do everything possible to move the geese on before going to the extreme of shooting them with a shot gun or even worse a rifle . there are plenty of others methods that work and well plesse have a good think before you act .especially with it being nesting time . Hells teeth - I didn't mean that. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 if they are doing significant damage then crack on Is it the posters farm they are damaging. If not its not his problem if someone wants to shoot them go for it but don't make up excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 I used to shoot them with my .223 howa 1500. It was effective I also took my 12g out with me for when they got up and came over me after I had shot the rifle to double my chances. It was a good technique but they soon move off. And they just come back now on the odd time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Personally I never shoot more than I can carry so usually 3 and I'm done and I stick to the season. What I meant was there are always stories of massive bags of pigeons and it is celebrated, where I am geographically there are very few pigeons but hundreds of canada geese. They are both classed as vermin so why shouldn't I go out and shoot massive bags of canada's. Where in Gwynedd are there hundreds of Canada geese?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) Where in Gwynedd are there hundreds of Canada geese?? That would be telling. Edited March 10, 2013 by WelshAndy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Why all the fuss about shooting them with a rifle? I've shot a fair few with a .22lr and have never lost one. More than I can say for a misplaced shot with a shotgun. Sometimes it's not about sport, it's about getting the job done. As many on the floor dead in as little time as possible before they fly off is what's needed when there are hundreds wrecking a crop. With a .22lr if you shoot the ones that stray from the crowd you can flatten loads of them before they figure out what's going on and fly away. Why do you have to be a land owner to protect crops? If you shoot for sport and the farmer asks you to take as many as you can then that's what you do. Otherwise someone else will soon take your place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Okay, this may be a dumb question, but if they're on farmland and nowhere near water why would you need to use steel? I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that steel shot is only necessary over our beside water, lakes, rivers and streams? I admit to never having shot wildfowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Because that's the law in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Because that's the law in England Scotland got it right, non toxic over /near wetlands, england made a hash of things, you can shoot a pheasant over a pond and drop lead in the pond, but cant shoot a duck over stubbles, unless you use non toxic, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev56 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Scotland got it right, non toxic over /near wetlands, england made a hash of things, you can shoot a pheasant over a pond and drop lead in the pond, but cant shoot a duck over stubbles, unless you use non toxic, I also havn't shot wildfowl and didn't know that rule, sure seems daft though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 As al4x has already said, it would be useful for the OP to read the relevant general licence (presumably GL04 for England?)http://www.naturalen..._tcm6-24149.pdf but a couple of notes are copied below: k) Persons acting under this licence should have regard to: i. the Environmental Protection (Restriction on Use of Lead Shot) (England) Regulations 1999 (SI 1999/2170). Regulation 3 prohibits the use of lead shot for the purpose of shooting quarry species of wildfowl with a shot gun anywhere in the country and all use of lead shot for shotgun shooting on most wetlands important for waterbirds, o) Condition 3 of this licence – which requires users to satisfy themselves that other appropriate legal methods of resolving the problem are either ineffective or impracticable - only applies to bird species that Natural England considers to be native to Great Britain (these are listed at paragraph 2(i)(a)); it does not apply to non-native species (listed at paragraphs 2(i)( b ). People may use non-lethal methods, such as scaring and proofing, for non-natives and are encouraged to do so where this is the best solution to a problem, but these methods do not need to be shown to be ineffective or impracticable before this licence can be relied upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) Why do so many no longer have any respect for their quarry species. Its just about nesting time and all some can think about is slaughtering the geese. I do not shoot pigeons on any of my farms after mid April and localy I do not know anyone who does. Or are some of you happy to think of youngsters dieing in the nest . There is never any need to kill canada geese out side of the normal shooting season. If they are causing a problem a few rocket bird scarers will do the trick very quickly. Geese hate them and it usualy takes weeks before they return , if they ever do. Too many people on here seem to want to shoot canadas just because they can . To see a thousand canadas comming out of the dawn mist on a September morning is a magical sight and makes the blood tingle when you are flighting on the marsh , but alas a sight we are likely to lose if some people on here have their way. If they are realy causing a problem then rocket them off the crops and save the shooting until the right time of year. There is nothing daft about the ban in using lead to shoot wildfowl over fields. Unless caught in the act of shooting how else is the law going to know where the birds were shot. It would all too easy for someone to shoot geese on the marsh and then if they were later found to have used lead they could then claim they were shot over fields. Edited March 10, 2013 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Why do so many no longer have any respect for their quarry species. Its just about nesting time and all some can think about is slaughtering the geese. I do not shoot pigeons on any of my farms after mid April and localy I do not know anyone who does. Or are some of you happy to think of youngsters dieing in the nest . There is never any need to kill canada geese out side of the normal shooting season. If they are causing a problem a few rocket bird scarers will do the trick very quickly. Geese hate them and it usualy takes weeks before they return , if they ever do. Too many people on here seem to want to shoot canadas just because they can . To see a thousand canadas comming out of the dawn mist on a September morning is a magical sight and makes the blood tingle when you are flighting on the marsh , but alas a sight we are likely to lose if some people on here have their way. If they are realy causing a problem then rocket them off the crops and save the shooting until the right time of year. There is nothing daft about the ban in using lead to shoot wildfowl over fields. Unless caught in the act of shooting how else is the law going to know where the birds were shot. It would all too easy for someone to shoot geese on the marsh and then if they were later found to have used lead they could then claim they were shot over fields. in agreement 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 +1 on the geese but do shoot pigeons if i didn't they would soon get someone else who will especially if its peas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 If I said to a farmer, hi, can i have permission to shoot rabbits and pigeons please, but only when they arent breeding, I would have NO shooting permission. I would also very very rarely go shooting. They breed all year for a start, secondly, the farmer who lets me shoot doesnt care if they are breeding, and if I cant provide what he looks for in a shooter, he wont let me shoot, but let one oof the many others asking get on instead. Same for the geese. I have been given a permission rich with wildfowl, asked to thin out the canadas. If i want to be able to shoot some duck and other geese come season, i have to do what he wants now. Also, if they are nesting, and your letting off rocket bangers to move them, so they dont come back for weeks, then surely that will move them off their nest just as much as shooting them? Also, if a couple of bangers will scare them off for weeks, then surely shooting one or two would stop the others coming back for weeks too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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