Shame on you

[shinybum]

traveling north on M6 yesterday and decided to stop at corley services to stretch my legs, pulled into lay by on left before main parking, and on the grass was a black sack full of woodpigeons, whole birds, not breasted, why shoot birds and then dump them especially in a public place, i say shame on you, go and shoot some clays instead

[aga man]

disgusting, shouldn't have shotgun cert if there going to carry on like that

[Reece]

I was talking to BASC about this a while back, and there hasn't been a single confirmed case of legitimate shoots/shooters dumping shot animals. Some are hoaxes but most are down to poachers, so let's not jump to conclusions.

 

It might be worth contacting BASC and letting them know.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Reece

[karpman]

Strange how so many folks want to go pigeon shooting but have no interest in the pigeons they have shot. Seen this first hand on more than one occasion.

 

I'd say 70 percent of folks who pay for there pigeon shooting leave the birds behind with the host for various reasons and dam a lot of birds can be shot that's for sure.

 

Karpman

[evo]

my motto is if ya aint gonna eat it then dont shoot it,mind you dont think i could eat a tree rat

[karpman]

my motto is if ya aint gonna eat it then dont shoot it,mind you dont think i could eat a tree rat

Lol tried one once swines to skin, all me crows go to the bottom of a huge muck heap. Crying shame to waste perfectly good meat like that though.

 

Maybe there should be better provisions to get them into the food chain perhaps, and better education.

 

Karpman

[fenboy]

I was talking to BASC about this a while back, and there hasn't been a single confirmed case of legitimate shoots/shooters dumping shot animals. Some are hoaxes but most are down to poachers, so let's not jump to conclusions.

 

It might be worth contacting BASC and letting them know.

 

With respect that's total rubbish , no one goes out and poaches a bag load of pigeons just to dump.

poachers do so for one of two reasons A, for money or B for eating , with perhaps the exception of hare coursing , but even with that money is normally involved.

 

Those pigeon would have been shot and dumped by a shooter that had permission on the land they were shot almost certainly , of course BASC are trying to protect our interests.

It is disgusting behaviour.

[karpman]

 

With respect that's total rubbish , no one goes out and poaches a bag load of pigeons just to dump.

poachers do so for one of two reasons A, for money or B for eating , with perhaps the exception of hare coursing , but even with that money is normally involved.

 

Those pigeon would have been shot and dumped by a shooter that had permission on the land they were shot almost certainly , of course BASC are trying to protect our interests.

It is disgusting behaviour.

Have to agree its not like they have run a dear and couldn't be ***** to carry it back.

 

Karpman

[Reece]

With respect that's total rubbish , no one goes out and poaches a bag load of pigeons just to dump.

poachers do so for one of two reasons A, for money or B for eating , with perhaps the exception of hare coursing , but even with that money is normally involved.

 

Those pigeon would have been shot and dumped by a shooter that had permission on the land they were shot almost certainly , of course BASC are trying to protect our interests.

It is disgusting behaviour.

 

I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, just that no incident of dumping shot animals has even been confirmed as coming from a legitimate shooter. I'm not saying with certainty that poachers are to blame, just that it's a possiblity that needs to be considered. Like I said, don't jump to conclusions.

 

Poachers don't always shoot for food or money, they do sometimes go out and shoot for the sheer hell of it.

[b73r]

What a waste even of they were given to someone for free that would have been better .I always try and ggive the landowners a pigeon or two every so often as a thank you.

 

What a waste even of they were given to someone for free that would have been better .I always try and ggive the landowners a pigeon or two every so often as a thank you.

 

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[Penelope]

Gave away 64 pigeons the other weekend to a farm shop that sells game. They will make a buck or two from them. Breasted a few and gave 4 to a woman at work and 2 to a mate to try.

 

I still have 22 in the freezer that will be used as decoys until the are only fit for fox fodder.

 

I think the difficulty is finding an outlet for them, any game really if you are not a game shoot with a game dealer contact. A lot of people don't want to dress game or even try it.

Edited April 24, 2013 by Penelope

[Mr Potter]

I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, just that no incident of dumping shot animals has even been confirmed as coming from a legitimate shooter. I'm not saying with certainty that poachers are to blame, just that it's a possibility that needs to be considered. Like I said, don't jump to conclusions.

 

Poachers don't always shoot for food or money, they do sometimes go out and shoot for the sheer hell of it.

Reece, what is your definition of a "legitimate shooter"? Mine would be someone with the appropriate certificate and shooting on land with permission. Some who fall into those categories will behave like oafs, with little regard for safety and none for their quarry, hopefully those who fall into this group are a tiny minority of legitimate shooters.

 

As those above have said "poaching" is not something that is usually associated with pigeon shooting for the reasons stated above but unfortunately there is almost a 100% certainty we will never find out the facts about this incident. Must admit though I cannot for the life of me understand the mentality of someone who dumps a bag of shot birds in such a public place, well in any public place actually.

 

This whole question of what to do with shot pigeons has been raised on many occasions over the years here on PW but my take on it is as follows. Within the terms of the General License we are not shooting pigeons for either the food chain or sport, we're doing it primarily to prevent crop damage. Farmer gives us permission to shoot over his land and will be less than impressed if you pack up after shooting ten birds (because that's all you can eat or give away) with a further couple of hundred marching across his crop like locusts! You could sit there for the rest of the day firing random shots into the air taking extra care not to hit anything I think not.

 

Agree that every effort should be made to get the bag into the food chain but anyone who can do that continually is very lucky indeed. In my experience I have had to throw birds away but it most certainly was not in a public place, it was well off the beaten track and in an area with foxes and possibly badgers. A couple of days later there was nothing but feathers. I have also left a few on the ground where they fell when I've seen buzzards in the air. One thing I've thought about, and I really don't know how practical it is, is that excess birds could go into the pet food market not just fresh as ferret food but processed into dog and cat food. Even if it was feasible I doubt if any payment would be made but I'd rather give birds to the pet food market than have to discard them.

 

Mr Potter

[ozzy518]

I use dead pigeons as decoys which works ok in the colder months but they get flyblown in the summer very quickly. I have had maggots in my pigeon fridge a few times which ain't nice.

My decoy birds get left for the foxes but no way is it acceptable to leave a bag of em in a layby

[Penelope]

Well said.

 

Glad that I was able to find some where to take the birds that I had.

 

Reece, what is your definition of a "legitimate shooter"? Mine would be someone with the appropriate certificate and shooting on land with permission. Some who fall into those categories will behave like oafs, with little regard for safety and none for their quarry, hopefully those who fall into this group are a tiny minority of legitimate shooters.

 

As those above have said "poaching" is not something that is usually associated with pigeon shooting for the reasons stated above but unfortunately there is almost a 100% certainty we will never find out the facts about this incident. Must admit though I cannot for the life of me understand the mentality of someone who dumps a bag of shot birds in such a public place, well in any public place actually.

 

This whole question of what to do with shot pigeons has been raised on many occasions over the years here on PW but my take on it is as follows. Within the terms of the General License we are not shooting pigeons for either the food chain or sport, we're doing it primarily to prevent crop damage. Farmer gives us permission to shoot over his land and will be less than impressed if you pack up after shooting ten birds (because that's all you can eat or give away) with a further couple of hundred marching across his crop like locusts! You could sit there for the rest of the day firing random shots into the air taking extra care not to hit anything I think not.

 

Agree that every effort should be made to get the bag into the food chain but anyone who can do that continually is very lucky indeed. In my experience I have had to throw birds away but it most certainly was not in a public place, it was well off the beaten track and in an area with foxes and possibly badgers. A couple of days later there was nothing but feathers. I have also left a few on the ground where they fell when I've seen buzzards in the air. One thing I've thought about, and I really don't know how practical it is, is that excess birds could go into the pet food market not just fresh as ferret food but processed into dog and cat food. Even if it was feasible I doubt if any payment would be made but I'd rather give birds to the pet food market than have to discard them.

 

Mr Potter

[stokie]

How do you know it wasn't left there to be collected by someone else . I don't know the circumstances but I do often leave shot stuff discreetly by the roadside to be collected by friends who want it

[al4x]

come on we all know its a slightly less ethical person who has had his days sport and can't dispose of the quarry properly. It is pest control so the killing them doesn't bother me, wasting them is secondary and really I don't have too much issue with that but fly tipping them effectively is another matter. If you lack freezer facilities it is hard to get enough to be worth going to a dealer but you really need to be more prepared before shooting them. Summer I've seen piles in hedges after people have been shooting, I know farmers that do it but at least they usually get eaten by foxes, badgers and even maggots etc which in turn get eaten by birds. Its the fly tipping that is indefensible

[linny]

Reece, what is your definition of a "legitimate shooter"? Mine would be someone with the appropriate certificate and shooting on land with permission. Some who fall into those categories will behave like oafs, with little regard for safety and none for their quarry, hopefully those who fall into this group are a tiny minority of legitimate shooters.

 

As those above have said "poaching" is not something that is usually associated with pigeon shooting for the reasons stated above but unfortunately there is almost a 100% certainty we will never find out the facts about this incident. Must admit though I cannot for the life of me understand the mentality of someone who dumps a bag of shot birds in such a public place, well in any public place actually.

 

This whole question of what to do with shot pigeons has been raised on many occasions over the years here on PW but my take on it is as follows. Within the terms of the General License we are not shooting pigeons for either the food chain or sport, we're doing it primarily to prevent crop damage. Farmer gives us permission to shoot over his land and will be less than impressed if you pack up after shooting ten birds (because that's all you can eat or give away) with a further couple of hundred marching across his crop like locusts! You could sit there for the rest of the day firing random shots into the air taking extra care not to hit anything I think not.

 

Agree that every effort should be made to get the bag into the food chain but anyone who can do that continually is very lucky indeed. In my experience I have had to throw birds away but it most certainly was not in a public place, it was well off the beaten track and in an area with foxes and possibly badgers. A couple of days later there was nothing but feathers. I have also left a few on the ground where they fell when I've seen buzzards in the air. One thing I've thought about, and I really don't know how practical it is, is that excess birds could go into the pet food market not just fresh as ferret food but processed into dog and cat food. Even if it was feasible I doubt if any payment would be made but I'd rather give birds to the pet food market than have to discard them.

 

Mr Potter

agree with the above some times you just can not give them away or you get let down i no its a waste but how far do you go. some off the farms that i shoot just say do what you like with them they are a pest chuck what you can not get rid of in the fire pit

[the pigeon man]

What a waste :(

[hawkfanz]

cast ur minds back not so long ago on this forum,pw members advocated dumping pigeons on farmers dumps and my comment then on ere was if its edible eat it or dont shoot it,my views will always be that way,

[al4x]

how different is it to foxes, and crows and rooks? the simple fact is they need shooting to protect the farmers livelihood so either you shoot them or someone else will. My farmers last views on pigeons are wasting the carcasses he would like every one shot this year as they have caused thousands of pounds of damage. However dumping them like this is not the way to go.

[yickdaz]

come on we all know its a slightly less ethical person who has had his days sport and can't dispose of the quarry properly. It is pest control so the killing them doesn't bother me, wasting them is secondary and really I don't have too much issue with that but fly tipping them effectively is another matter. If you lack freezer facilities it is hard to get enough to be worth going to a dealer but you really need to be more prepared before shooting them. Summer I've seen piles in hedges after people have been shooting, I know farmers that do it but at least they usually get eaten by foxes, badgers and even maggots etc which in turn get eaten by birds. Its the fly tipping that is indefensible

all I can say is you should have somewhere in mind where you know you can take birds before you go shooting, or if you don't have somewhere in mind at the very least get a chest freezer to put them in until you can find a game dealer its not hard to have a few things in place before shooting them

[postie]

had same problem 3yrs ago farmer rang asked to see me went to the farm

he was not a happy man some one had left the gate to a feild of barley open let some sheep in

went over with him to look and found about 60 dead birds in the headge wasted carts witch the farmer had not seen

he went mad more so that the birds were wasted than the gate left open .lost the shooting on there 10yrs it took me to get that 380 acrs

what a waste of good food.

i cleaned up took the birds home and burnt them nearly broke my heart { SAME ON THEM }

Edited April 28, 2013 by postie

[spinach]

It certainly happens and Im not sure with big bags if everyone does have a game dealer. I have a mate who phones me and brings over all the decent rabbits , as he can't be ***** to dress them, i guess he would do the same with pigeons.

I stopped taking fish if I have enough as I got fed up with throwing them out after a year or more getting freezer burn.

It's the same thing, we may say we're pest control but most of us just like shooting and clays don't do it for some of us.

Though dumping at the side of the road is beyond.

We're they fresh or might they be out of a freezer ?

John

[Royboy]

Maybe he/she took them out of the boot for a second to get at something else then forgot to put them back ? It can happen

[the pigeon man]

 

Maybe he/she took them out of the boot for a second to get at something else then forgot to put them back ? It can happen

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