delburt0 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Had my visit for my renewal today I have put .17hmr down as a variation as I don't have it on my ticket and would like another for long range rabbits and I can keep my .22 subsonic. No problem with the hmr as they only treat it as a .22 my fao said. I asked could you stipulate foxes with the hmr as several times this year I have been faced with 50yd Charlie's He shot me down (pardon the pun) with no way it's not recognised as a suitable calibre by the government. With the raised voice and the way he put it over I knew it was a debate I could not win, even though my wife was present he did make another statement which my wife heard that in my opinion shouldn't been said and will be keeping to myself, make your own aspersions I'm sure you know. I did return with ( I just like to stay within the law ) especially as far as firearms are concerned. But with that and 10 mins from entering the door checking my serial numbers the meeting was over My fao had gone. I was just wanting to know why the majority of p/w members have fox on there hmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Same in W Yorks, what did he say BTW, been trying to work it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Same in W Yorks, Sure is but I have got fox on my .22rf so I'm not complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 erm, no, except for humane dispatch, 50yds is humane isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Ask for AOLQ condition to be put onto your certificate. It's being recommended for all police forces to issue this when asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe soapy Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 In Devon its allowed, for "close range fox"!!! was watching a thing on ytube, testing 22 and 17 hmr .. apparently the US army class a bullet that will go through a 1 inch pine board as lethal. At 400 yds with the bullets still passing through, they gave up. Hit a fox right with a hmr and it will drop Hit a fox wrong with a 308 and it will run. The shooter has nearly all the control of whether a cartridge is capable or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Ask for AOLQ condition to be put onto your certificate. It's being recommended for all police forces to issue this when asked. I asked for this but was told wait an extra few days for it to come in . It came through 2 days early :( gutted. Staffordshire won't allow it sometimes but then they do They say 22 c/f but 2 of my perms are r/f only :( I asked my feo what do I do if a fox walks in front of me ? The reply was shoot and and don't get caught lol . Ive got a slot for .223 which I'm thinking of swapping for .22 hornet as its passed on certain land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 AOLQ is to be used in conjunction with a higher condition i.e. deer or fox.It allows you to take smaller quarry than your main reason for having the rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 just have vermin on mine for the 17HMR.....dont say that fox are no0t vermin and not been proved wrong yet in court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) I've got fox for .22wmr and my 17hmr I think you just have to get the FEO on a good day.. Edited September 30, 2013 by archie1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 What has this got to do with public safety, which should be the only concern for the police service? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 If you cant trust a man with a rimfire rifle to judge what is humane - you shouldnt be giving him a rifle at all. Maybe you should try a .17 hornet - they probably wont know what it is and say yes ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 New FAC holder and got HMR and .22 for vermin, zeroing AOLQ and Humane despatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) What has this got to do with public safety, which should be the only concern for the police service?quite right you can appreciate all of p/w members do not want to see any unnecessary suffering but after shooting 25 yrs I no when I can despatch my quarry with my calibre which is why I wanted fox adding to my hmr as I no I can despatch in a humane way upto a distance that I am confident of doing. Edited September 30, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Yes got Fox control with .17HMR on my ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) I would just like to no why some forces add hmr and others totally refuse are foxes a lot smaller where blackbird lives (I think not) surely it's down to the individual force and nothing to do with the government or are some police forces breaking the government laws, should there not be a blanket ruling for all police forces in the country to follow on such things as this Confused.com , maybe one for David to have a look at.. Edited September 30, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney86 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 I thought HMR was a standard mid-range fox rifle... IMHO it seems like a pointless calibre otherwise - expensive for rabbit, too fast for most ranges, too light for wind etc etc. What would they allow it for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Sure is but I have got fox on my .22rf so I'm not complaining. That's why you are on the dark side Lucky man is all I can say. I have no problem with anyone shooting anything with any calibre as long as it's a clean and safe shot. There seems to be no standardisation anywhere between forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Dyfed Powys granted me vermin and fox for my HMR,if your fao doesn't believe it can be done humanly and cleanly then I could send you dozens of unhappy customers posing next to my HMR that you could show him. Talk to your shooting org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 I thought HMR was a standard mid-range fox rifle... IMHO it seems like a pointless calibre otherwise - expensive for rabbit, too fast for most ranges, too light for wind etc etc. What would they allow it for? I find it very good on fox but think of it as low range foxing ....... It is my go-to-tool for foxes.... Just means I need to get them in to 75 or less meters. They do just drop on the spot.... Mostly head or neck shots as they face me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Dyfed Powys granted me vermin and fox for my HMR,if your fao doesn't believe it can be done humanly and cleanly then I could send you dozens of unhappy customers posing next to my HMR that you could show him. Talk to your shooting org. i don't want to kick a fuss up but I could not even put my reasons over it was a case of (the government says no ) so why have certain people got fox on there .22 r/f...Looking at this, one side of the law doesn't no the other - or visa versa :( Edited September 30, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 .17HMR legal for fox in Suffolk but over the border in Essex it is not. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) It most probably says on your ticket "vermin" some were on your ticket, - fox are vermin. Sorted. Or get a bigger cal so you can shoot magpies as well. ;-) Edited September 30, 2013 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Edit ..... Wrong thread Edited September 30, 2013 by malkiserow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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