moose man Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Threads like this do no one who shoots any favours ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 No idea, just relating what I have been told and have no reason to disbelieve. Easy to take the **** out of people when its reported second hand Anyone who can prove its not true can stand up to me and I will accept their opinion, anyone else just wanting to jump on a PW bandwagon can shove it up their **** Likewise I dont think I ever said I doubted you or your friends word, merely commented on a couple of possible scenarios. Blackpowder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 No idea, just relating what I have been told and have no reason to disbelieve. Easy to take the **** out of people when its reported second hand Anyone who can prove its not true can stand up to me and I will accept their opinion, anyone else just wanting to jump on a PW bandwagon can shove it up their **** Let's face it even you don't know any facts on this one so are speculating as much as anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Yeh sorry the story sounds like something from a novices eye that might have got the wrong end of the stick. Dogs that peg birds are not uncommon but a fit bird in good health should get up before a dog gets to it, so it sounds like it was already injured anyway. Whether or not it was thrown in to the air is another matter and how did the gun see that? Just because people shoot doesn't mean they actually know what is going on especially on a game shoot. Having said that there's plenty of clueless people that also shoot game and don't put any thought in to what they are doing but generally the beaters aren't that bad and have more knowledge than most of the guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 And the beaters didn't get a tip as well! I bet they all had Range Rovers, the guest that turned up with the Baikal was ridiculed and then out shot them all and everything shot went in a ditch. Am I missing anything off the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Ok so It must be a stand & drive. 9 walking & 9 beating + the keeper? So the beaters aren't the baddies cos they are also the guns Dogs peg birds all the time, doesn't mean there is already something wrong with the bird, it could have been in heavy cover or trapped against a fence ect. My dogs do it, I'll tell the dog to drop it and if the bird fly's it's ok, 99.9% of the time it don't and the dog is told to retrieve it and it's despatched. On this occasion the bird flew and was shot, not exactly good form but no real harm done by the sounds of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 And the beaters didn't get a tip as well! I bet they all had Range Rovers, the guest that turned up with the Baikal was ridiculed and then out shot them all and everything shot went in a ditch. Am I missing anything off the list Yes, they were all dressed up like little Lord Fauntleroy Sounds like a great day all round and makes my syndicate look as lame as a leg-down pheasant - oh wait, wasn't that the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Ok so It must be a stand & drive. 9 walking & 9 beating + the keeper? So the beaters aren't the baddies cos they are also the guns Dogs peg birds all the time, doesn't mean there is already something wrong with the bird, it could have been in heavy cover or trapped against a fence ect. My dogs do it, I'll tell the dog to drop it and if the bird fly's it's ok, 99.9% of the time it don't and the dog is told to retrieve it and it's despatched. On this occasion the bird flew and was shot, not exactly good form but no real harm done by the sounds of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Sounds a bit jackanory. 29, no 19 guns, Shoot one, walk one £1500, 38 birds??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted November 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Yes, you are all absolutely right, this is all made up. My mate has probably been shooting longer than half of the people replying put together, never said walk one stand one, the ground is apparently large enough to split guns into two driven groups. But as usual the PW wolves know better than anyone else, and if this thread shames some shoots then fair enough. Sing together now: Every shoot is sacred.Every shoot is great.If a shoot is tardy, No-one should get irate. (Blatantly stolen from Monty Python) Edited November 17, 2013 by 955i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Sorry should maybe of put it differently. I have shot and beat a lot during my 44 years at a lot of pheasant shoots and never heard of two shoots happening on the same shoot at the same time. I have once been on a driven day and they had 12 guns and was thought of as too many. I shoot a couple of days in January at a walk one shot one with a total of 18 guns and we have maybe 50 to 70 birds a day and costs £100 per day per gun. Maths has never been my strong point but £1500 seems a lot I hope that is per season not per day. Even so 19 guns at £1500 is £28500 a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Well apparently beaters got chuff all at the end of the day to top it all. Can't remember the details of where it was, but in Notts/Derbyshire area Well if the guns weren't beating and all were shooting (and there were beaters on top) That's a big shoot alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Some of the larger estates can have 2 or 3 parties shooting on the same day. That said, this sounds like a beat one stand one shoot with 9 or ten guns shooting alternatively . Not the best value for money as I'm in a similar shoot with two teams of six shooting alternatively. We shoot 50 to 60 head and our annual cost is £ 450 We also shoot our duck ponds fortnightly and so far have 156 duck and two geese. This topic has digressed somewhat as the OP was regarding a beater launching a pricked bird to the awaiting guns, not done in the best circles and any pricked bird should be dispatched ASAP, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 It wasn't a pricked bird, it was a pegged bird which can quite often be a couple of tail feathers pulled out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Should be dispatched by the person who's dog pegged it , not thrown in front of the guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 If it was wounded yes but like I said sometimes (although very rarely) it just has some tail feathers missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Should be dispatched by the person who's dog pegged it , not thrown in front of the guns Depends if it was not in a fit state to fly. My dog picked a duck off some marshy ground on our syndicate shoot, I checked it over let it go and it just flow off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Oh dear - this is a thread that the OP might regret starting. :whistling: :whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted November 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Oh dear - this is a thread that the OP might regret starting. :whistling: :whistling: You may be right there I'm just stating what I was told though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Aye but wot was the point in starting it? Really just chinese whispers of wot happened to 1 bird on the only day ur mate was there beating, and even that u managed to confuse the very limited facts u had. Would n't say its a good way to judge a shoot. As for the shoot it just sounds ur bog atandard beat 1 stand 1, wether 19 is the syndicate or plus a few guesta who knows, perhaps some 1/2 guns turned up on wrong day? Simple fact is some shoots could stand 10 guns no problem if woods are big enough, also if wood is big enough to stand 10 guns u will also need a decent number of beaters to beat it right. If the guns were as bad as u say possibly they should off had 2 better guns/pickers up as permant back guns cripple busting any pricked birds. But i have seen some truely terrible shots over the years, to be fair there not a masiive problem as long as missing cleanly, its the guns who are consistantly always just that foot behind the head and can't seem to adjust there lead. £1500 for a season might not be that far away, possibly it was an outside boundry day? or their mibee just having a bad year, many shoots are the now Just so many unkonws and the whole thread is completely pointless, infact it just gives the impression (rightly or wrongly) 995i that u really haven't been around many driven shoots other than standiing on a peg, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hearsay, arms and legs. :no: . Cant see the need to even bring this one to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) You may be right there I'm just stating what I was told though. But it doesn't seem to add up, so obviously many will come back and say so! That's what happens on forums! Edited November 18, 2013 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Sorry should maybe of put it differently. I have shot and beat a lot during my 44 years at a lot of pheasant shoots and never heard of two shoots happening on the same shoot at the same time. I have once been on a driven day and they had 12 guns and was thought of as too many. I shoot a couple of days in January at a walk one shot one with a total of 18 guns and we have maybe 50 to 70 birds a day and costs £100 per day per gun. Maths has never been my strong point but £1500 seems a lot I hope that is per season not per day. Even so 19 guns at £1500 is £28500 a season. I know of at least two shoots that run 2-3 parties on the same day, one of them I was a keeper on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I know of at least two shoots that run 2-3 parties on the same day, one of them I was a keeper on. I live and learn, thanks for the info. Must be a nightmare for the keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I live and learn, thanks for the info. Must be a nightmare for the keeper. There won't be one keeper there will be a few and a serious amount of ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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