bullet1747 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 just been watching it and there is talk about letting the lynx run free in Britain , the reason is they can help with the culling of deer , can't see the game keepers being happy ,they recon a lynx will kill and eat 60 deer a year god knows how many pheasants and other game they will eat , mind you might be on licence in a few years lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tel Time Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 its a bloody big cat! it would eat anything it could bring down, kiddies included! if they wanted the deer culled off more effectively then maybe they should stop people charging so bloody much to "stalk" them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTEMUP Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 The Lunatics have certainly taken over the asylum now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 its the lynx effect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 i had some for xmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 that'd take care of those "right to roamers", and some dog walkers that have been letting their mutts dig up the bank of my meadow. we'll be alright as we'll have guns, it'll be a good cause for loosening some of the controls and conditions of fire arm ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 i tried lynx now im a father of 10 from 6 woman on the up side the benefit checks are great guess its the lynx effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 I've got an open mind on it at the moment, being a massive big cat fan. Scotland would have the only viable sites and I've got to say it would be an immense thrill to have them in the wild in this country. However 50 odd deer a year per animal is a heck of a lot. There are plenty of reds in scotland, but I can't imagine populations would stay high if there were lynx up there as well as the stalking. And if the stalking died out, the estates' infrastructure will start to collapse, then it's people's livelihoods at risk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 I just don't believe that a lynx could take an even moderately unhealthy red deer. The woman in the piece said they eat 60 roe a year, which seemed unlikely in the first place, but an animal that can take a roe is not one that you could expect to keep the red deer herds honest is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy bingo Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 just been watching it and there is talk about letting the lynx run free in Britain , the reason is they can help with the culling of deer , can't see the game keepers being happy ,they recon a lynx will kill and eat 60 deer a year god knows how many pheasants and other game they will eat , mind you might be on licence in a few years lol what ya sayin is you cant just train em to eat deer ven or am I bein fik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 The report also said most of europe had already released lynx and thought we were backward in our forward thinking.Anyway its not the lynx that will have big effects,its when they release timber wolfs and then the bears that we need to worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 i had some for xmas. We just had the same old turkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 The Lunatics have certainly taken over the asylum now Took over a good while since ! They`re all barking........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 (edited) I don't doubt they could take a red as they are powerful animals and it is a great idea in an ideal world, but we don't have an ideal world. It will be very unlikely that they would attack humans but the bigger problem will be with taking livestock meaning farmers would have to have some sort of compensation scheme that would be very expensive to administrate and be open to fraudulent claims. I can't see it working in this country at all. Edited December 29, 2013 by FalconFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Didn't see the piece, but as far as I am aware Lynx are fairly solitary animals and hunters? That being the case, and looking at the size of the animal compared to the size of a red hind I don't see how a Lynx is going to manage that I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 (edited) I don't doubt they could take a red as they are powerful animals and it is a great idea in an ideal world, but we don't have an ideal world. It will be very unlikely that they would attack humans but the bigger problem will be with taking livestock meaning farmers would have to have some sort of compensation scheme that would be very expensive to administrate and be open to fraudulent claims. I can't see it working in this country at all. Spot on FN. The compensation system works well in Namibia with livestock taken by cheetahs, but there, cheetah numbers are relatively low - and available space for relocation, relatively high. So, if farmers get hit constantly by the same animals looking for easy food, it's more straightforward for organisations to step in and remove problem animals to areas where they can't do the same amount of damage. Here, you can't do that, so the same farmers will get hit again and again. and not be able to do anything about it. They're capable of taking adult reds, but they'd much prefer roes and they'd take the young and sick of anything kicking around. a natural balance of prey to predator would be set, so long as the pressure on the prey isn't too big, but with shooting and lynx, it might not work... Edited December 29, 2013 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Just watched Countryfile (recorded) have Beeb had a change of management?? I now quite like Ellie - wasn't sure before but would like her in my stocking next Xmas. Or would like to be in her stockings and no I'm not a cross-dresser Just watched Countryfile (recorded) have Beeb had a change of management?? I now quite like Ellie - wasn't sure before but would like her in my stocking next Xmas. Or would like to be in her stockings and no I'm not a cross-dresser Just watched Countryfile (recorded) have Beeb had a change of management?? I now quite like Ellie - wasn't sure before but would like her in my stocking next Xmas. Or would like to be in her stockings and no I'm not a cross-dresser Just watched Countryfile (recorded) have Beeb had a change of management?? I now quite like Ellie - wasn't sure before but would like her in my stocking next Xmas. Or would like to be in her stockings and no I'm not a cross-dresser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Using a iPod mini and with my fat little fingers it seems to have a mind of its own. Also a little too much of a rather nice port (preceded by Rioja) last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 I've got an open mind on it at the moment, being a massive big cat fan. Scotland would have the only viable sites and I've got to say it would be an immense thrill to have them in the wild in this country. However 50 odd deer a year per animal is a heck of a lot. There are plenty of reds in scotland, but I can't imagine populations would stay high if there were lynx up there as well as the stalking. And if the stalking died out, the estates' infrastructure will start to collapse, then it's people's livelihoods at risk... No sure they could take down a red. They talk about 50 roe. Big difference between the two. Who thinks a Lynx would discern between sheep and calves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE AD Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Can't see them lasting long when keepers get on the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 All very good for those with a vested interest but whose going to take responsibility for the outcome? John Craven was extolling the breeding and release programme for Red Kites. We've got loads of resident Kites and Buzzards now and a neighbouring shoot lost hundreds of birds this year because the Buzzards were perching on the release pens for days on end. This stressed the birds and kept them up one end of the pen away from the drinkers and feeders. The Red Kites soaring the margins stressed Partridge coveys. It's all very well villifying keepers but whose going to take responsibility for the damage caused by re-introductions? There's already talk of releasing Wolves in the Highlands, I suppose Bears will be next. The world's gone mad I tell you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) Can anybody give a case where non indigenous species introduced into this country has been of benefit? I suppose it could be said that pheasants haven't been a problem and some strains of king carp introduced by monks for food have not killed off the wild strain. The list of species that have wreaked havoc is quite impressive! Here are just a few: Grey squirrel Signal crayfish Mink (released from farms by well meaning morons) Big toads (not sure what the proper name is) Wild boar. Reintroduced red kites which are breeding way too prolifically, putting a strain on shared food resources. Releasing anything on the scale of a big cat is nothing short of lunacy!! Edited December 30, 2013 by old rooster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fse10 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Another case of thick do gooder tree huggers trying to bring back an animal that has long been gone to our shores & which our eco systerm can not surport. Will have the same problems as with the otters that have been put back in to rivers systerms that cant surport them as the poles & cormornts have eatting all the fish. Yes it's a shame these animals wolfs, otters, lynx etc have been lost due to huntting lost of habitat but that was along time gone & our eco systerm can no longer surport these animals I would love to see wolf & lynx in the wild but not at the cost of other animals. Time for another cider i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) Can anybody give a case where non indigenous species introduced into this country has been of benefit? I suppose it could be said that pheasants haven't been a problem and some strains of king carp introduced by monks for food have not killed off the wild strain. The list of species that have wreaked havoc is quite impressive! Here are just a few: Grey squirrel Signal crayfish Mink (released from farms by well meaning morons) Big toads (not sure what the proper name is) Wild boar. Reintroduced red kites which are breeding way too prolifically, putting a strain on shared food resources. Releasing anything on the scale of a big cat is nothing short of lunacy!! There is a difference between introducing a non native species and reintroducing one, the red kites are a reintroduction that will fit into the ecosystem once again - that is when they stop being artificially fed and they have to fend for themselves. Boar died out 100's of years ago when our landscape and land use was different but if managed properly they could fit in to our ecosystem again. The great bustard could also do well but anything else that has been extinct in this country for more than a few hundred years should not be reintroduced, the lynx hasn't been in Britain for thousands of years and would essentially be an alien species, as would wolves, elk etc. Lets manage what we have and not attempt to put the clock back to a time that cannot exist in modern Britain. Edited December 30, 2013 by FalconFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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