kdubya Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 surely to christ its time that the only place you saw "pit bull type" dogs is in a zoo. KW http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26131934 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Just when you forget about the last one yet another tragic loss of life, rip little Ava ... Edited February 11, 2014 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Same old problem that repeats time and time again. Terrible loss of a child's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I admit its a very sad thing to happen and should not but you cannot ban a breed of animal it should not have been left alone with a baby there are a lot of very large mastiff and pit type dogs around my way and most are nice there are a few that are nasty but they have been made that way by idiot young owners who now have powerful large dogs and physically can't stop those dogs if they really decide they want to attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 surely to christ its time that the only place you saw "pit bull type" dogs is in a zoo. KW http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26131934 Yes, along with their owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I have seen a few dogs which fit this description, unfortunately the owners are not what I would describe as responsible. Ultimately it is the owner who is responsible for their dog and to allow such dogs untended around kids is courting disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I guess all these "James Turner Street" owners firmly believe their dog would never undertake any attack on a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) So, is this dog legal or not, and whose fault is it? Edited February 11, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It's awful, utterly preventable and beyond tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 You could train a pet tiger or wolf to be a nice happy pet... it would still have that killer mentality when it needed it though... You should have a licence like a FAC to have any dog with "Bull" or "Terrier" in it (with some exceptions of the smaller and more docile breeds). So that people are accountable at least. i.e having a reason to own it and then having check ups by police dog officer every year to check how you are keeping the animal etc... that would deter some of the "chav scum buy a dog because you think it makes you look hard and add a little silly neck tattoo like eminem" types from owning one. Half of them probably wouldn't be able to read the licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 think it all comes down to 'responsible dog ownership'. e.g homeless people - they seem to get a dog. Oh sure, we can all feel sorry for them and their dog and it's their only friend that doesn't come out of a zip-lock bag or bottle but when you see one that blatantly needs vet attention (or simple nutrition) then makes you wonder if thats what you would all responsible. Owning a flipping huge wolf dog because a lager lout beat you up... responsible? Owning a huge bull mastiff thing because you need something to bark ferociously when the law or other dealers come to rob your 'gear' - responsible? Think people who own this breed of dog need to questions WHY they have one. I would love a pet Lion - they look awesome on telly and nobody else has one, but is it responsible to tame one and let it roam the house with my kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) think it all comes down to 'responsible dog ownership'. e.g homeless people - they seem to get a dog. Oh sure, we can all feel sorry for them and their dog and it's their only friend that doesn't come out of a zip-lock bag or bottle but when you see one that blatantly needs vet attention (or simple nutrition) then makes you wonder if thats what you would all responsible. Owning a flipping huge wolf dog because a lager lout beat you up... responsible? Owning a huge bull mastiff thing because you need something to bark ferociously when the law or other dealers come to rob your 'gear' - responsible? Think people who own this breed of dog need to questions WHY they have one. I would love a pet Lion - they look awesome on telly and nobody else has one, but is it responsible to tame one and let it roam the house with my kids? Im planning on buyin a cane corso or French mastiff once i move to a bigger house not for a protector but the fact i like large dogs and have been around them my whole life im not a fan of small dogs including spaniels ect do i like them yes there great but my first choice will alwas be large dogs.accountability is the problem with accidents like this. Edited February 11, 2014 by JohnFreeman1310 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Im planning on buyin a cane corso or French mastiff once i move to a bigger house not for a protector but the fact i like large dogs and have been around them my whole life im not a fan of small dogs including spaniels ect do i like them yes there great but my first choice will alwas be large dogs.accountability is the problem with accidents like this. Exactly, that's why I think it would be beneficial to have a licence style system with periodic checks. If people really wanted the dogs, they'd comply :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul taylor Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Personally I dont belive any animal a man can not fight off should be owned by joe public it just doesn't make sense to me that my kids or dog could be killed by somebody's pet just because thats the animal they want to keep and balls to anyone else's safety. Ive known some great Staffies and mastiff and know its usually the owners fault one way or another if they or any dog attacks but just dont think its safe or fair on everyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) I have owned 4 GSDs and 3 Akitas. All were very large. They were kept away from children and they were never left alone with an adult who wasn't family.You trust a dog at your peril. Sadly, it is normally those who cannot defend themselves who pay the price for stupid owners rather than the owners.Dog licences will be trotted out again - about as much use as a chocolate fireguard. If owners are found to be a fault, there should be a prosecution and suitably heavy, deterrent sentence.PS - if dogs that could kill were banned - no-one on here etc. would own one. They can all kill. Edited February 11, 2014 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFreeman1310 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 And just to point out last year a police dog escaped from its handlers home and attacked a young girl. m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21380963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It's about responsible ownership not breed. I own two Staffordshire bull terriers not because I want to look hard or frighten off dealers but because there one of the most rewarding breeds I've ever had the pleasure of coming into contact with. There is a tiny majority of idiots that train dogs to be nasty or don't train them at all leading to them been nasty. A blanket ban would be unfair on thousands of responsible owners like myself who love bull type breeds for the right reasons. A blanket ban on breeds is no better than a ban on guns next time some loon goes on the rampage, they will always find a different weapon of choice weather it be Rottweiler, Doberman, German Shepard, staffy, pittbull type. Hundreds of children are killed a year by cars but a ban on cars will never happen. Tougher sentences are what's needed, if mum left baby with a dog and savages it then for me it's manslaughter, if some dealer has a savage dog then throw some sort of deadly weapons charge at him. If you make the punishment severe people will think twice and not want to take the risk. We've recently had twins, ones still in hospital at the minute, both my staffys absolutely dote on my daughter and I trust them implicitly but they'll never be left unattended with her or my son when he's home. All it takes is a finger in the eye and any dog could turn. Terrible and avoidable tragedy, I hope they punish the owner/parent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Exactly, that's why I think it would be beneficial to have a licence style system with periodic checks. If people really wanted the dogs, they'd comply :-) The type of people who train dogs to be aggressive won't be applying to get a licence and who is gonna police it? The over stretched police? Your vet? No one is the answer that's why they got rid them. As for only banning dogs with bull in the name what about boxers, presa canario, cane corso, Akita, dogue de Bordeaux, English mastiffs, Rottweilers and other similar large breeds? They can all do as much or worse damage than some other bull breeds. It's the owners that need to be taken off the streets not the breeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 surely to christ its time that the only place you saw "pit bull type" dogs is in a zoo. KW http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26131934 Someone else lost their life to a gun too shall we put all guns in museums too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 surely to christ its time that the only place you saw "pit bull type" dogs is in a zoo. KW http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26131934 Its not the dogs its the pond life they attract as owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Its not the dogs its the pond life they attract as owners ok so did the owners bite the kid to death? if so it was not the dog, if it was the dog then sorry chum regardless of spin and the usual my dogs a good well behaved dog horlics then it was the dog. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Someone else lost their life to a gun too shall we put all guns in museums too? guns dont load and fire themselves, dogs have minds of their own they are not inanimate objects ? they will when they want to,do what they want to, is that fact to hard to grasp. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I admit its a very sad thing to happen and should not but you cannot ban a breed of animal it should not have been left alone with a baby there are a lot of very large mastiff and pit type dogs around my way and most are nice there are a few that are nasty but they have been made that way by idiot young owners who now have powerful large dogs and physically can't stop those dogs if they really decide they want to attack. And relax! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 guns dont load and fire themselves, dogs have minds of their own they are not inanimate objects ? they will when they want to,do what they want to, is that fact to hard to grasp. KW Due to how many hundreds of thousands of bull type breeds there are in this country I would think if they were all predisposed to going mental we'd have a lot more of these tragedies happening. It seems in general though it's a certain type of idiot who chooses to make his dog nasty that causes this problem so no different from a certain type of idiot acting dangerously with guns, knifes or any other type of weapon. Ultimately the blame lies with the owner for not training it properly or for training it to be nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 How many children are killed by their parents every year? Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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