fruity Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 ok a bit of a dispute going on with myself and five shooting colleagues, one off here after we seen a photo in a recent magazine and have very mixed views so we said lets put it to the vote Without it turning into a full on semi bashing thread etc etc and it getting locked we are just after a yes or no opinion really If moderators think its inappropriate for any reason just remove it QUESTION - Do you think the guy holding the semi auto is holding it safe and correct in your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byjovecarruthers Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 No issues as long as he is aware of the state of the firearm. It's not pointed at anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 No, would never hold a semi auto in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 If it's empty and the chamber is open then yes it's safe. if the bolt is closed the a definate no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 If its not loaded then I would say safe , he is not pointing it at anyone other than perhaps himself , I know the general saying is always treat a gun as loaded but if you are 100% certain its not (which you should be unless you have the memory of a goldfish) its going to harm no one unless you beat them around the head with it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 90 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I'm with Aga man ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I'm with Aga man !+2 no flag no one (except possibly the man with his finger on the muzzle) knows if it loaded or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 No because we cannot see a flag from the bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtaylor Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Grainy image so hard to say but it looks like the bolt is closed, definitely no. Even if it is open it's a bit of a dubious way of holding it. I would say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRYAN3 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I cant see from the photo but there should be a breach flag inserted to show that its unloaded and bolt back. Its a reasurance to others to see it that way. If there is no flag folks cannot be assured its unloaded. If the bolt is back its still dangerous if he drops it or trips it could slamfire. Bryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 But the question is --- is it unsafe or not , appearing unsafe is completely different to being unsafe , to be fair the only person who can give 100% definitive answer is the shooter . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 No breech flag. My pet peeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 no i like semis but my thoughts are it doesn't matter if you know its safe you have to demonstrate to the people around toy its safe and they cant see that from this picture But the question is --- is it unsafe or not , appearing unsafe is completely different to being unsafe , to be fair the only person who can give 100% definitive answer is the shooter . this is correct so edit it appears to be unsafe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Technically, its not correct or safe. It could be a left hander, and thus have a breech plug in the other side, but I don't think that's the case, even if it did it's still not safe or correct because it's not 'obviously' safe. That said, he does appear to have his finger/thumb over the barrel...so that'll stop any shell ;-) I quite often hold my Maxus like this....but, the breech plug would be outward facing and easily visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 No should have a flag in to show what aha man said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Personally my view would be unsafe. no flag, better to leave it in the gun rack or bring a 'caddy' but also with a flag in it. Its also a bit hairbrained as, apart from taking his thumb off if it went off, it would leave a nasty graze and burst eardrums. Not to mention the people close to him who would have a fright !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Technically, its not correct or safe. It could be a left hander, and thus have a breech plug in the other side, but I don't think that's the case, even if it did it's still not safe or correct because it's not 'obviously' safe. That said, he does appear to have his finger/thumb over the barrel...so that'll stop any shell ;-) I quite often hold my Maxus like this....but, the breech plug would be outward facing and easily visible. But he has people on the left and right of him , would he keep having to do a twirl to show everyone its got a flag in and safe ? Edited March 22, 2014 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamey Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Hi No and the others should be in slips All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning 425 clay hunter Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 No. Loaded or not never hold it by the end of the barrels and it should be in a slip/ held up with the barrels above head hight pointing straight up and have a flag hanging out IMO. ATB 425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) But if it was in the same state but hidden in a gun slip you'd all think it was fine? To be fair only the guy himself knows if it's loaded or not, yes a flag could help identify the guns state to others (if it hasn't got one), but he seems to be muzzle aware towards the other folk in the picture at least (it's only a snap shot of time) What else would you suggest he does, put it muzzle down in the dirt and potentially block the barrel? Edited March 23, 2014 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countrysports Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Right hand ejection port. Unknown if bolt back or forward as not clear in image. Unknown if gun is unloaded, loaded or made ready. Unknown if hand is at end of barrel or covering muzzle. Unknown range safety protocol. Muzzle straight up in air so not sweeping anyone. Too many variables and no proof of conditions as stated in post above so assuming: Worst scenario - Bolt is forward, gun madeready and had covering muzzle with safety off Best scenario -Bolt back, gun unloaded, safety applied and hand is not covering muzzle. Really up to interpertation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 In answer to the question yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastair0903 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 If the bolt is back it is perfectly safe , I have held mine the same before I got a sling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyNCC Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 It's only unsafe if it has something in it However nobody else knows??? So yes and no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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