The Mighty Prawn Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Here we go again, check the picture and see how many non-firearms you can see... there's at least three air rifles, a couple of CO2 pistols, some air pistols, one close up of of a CO2 cartridge looking very shiny and dangerous Be nice if they didnt try and convince the world they've taken loads of guns off the street when actually I had more 'guns' as a teenager! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27062916 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Bloody hell,a Tommy Gun ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 What a surprise that Operation Trident are involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 If only one was real, it would be a result. Why slag the Police, when they are merely trying to maximise the impact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Here we go again, check the picture and see how many non-firearms you can see... there's at least three air rifles, a couple of CO2 pistols, some air pistols, one close up of of a CO2 cartridge looking very shiny and dangerous Be nice if they didnt try and convince the world they've taken loads of guns off the street when actually I had more 'guns' as a teenager! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27062916 Bet you didn't have a tommy gun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchington Harris Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 I bet most of the "real" guns are deactivated, Trident don't have the best record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 If only one was real, it would be a result. Why slag the Police, when they are merely trying to maximise the impact? +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) If only one was real, it would be a result. Why slag the Police, when they are merely trying to maximise the impact? Because they are being disingenuous? "Tractor output has been increased by 150% in the last year" Public servants are not supposed to tell porkies to said public. Edited April 17, 2014 by CaptainBeaky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted April 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 If only one was real, it would be a result. Why slag the Police, when they are merely trying to maximise the impact? Because they are being dishonest claiming a huge haul of guns when many of them are clearly not guns, let alone how many of the guns are deactivated. They are trying to suggest a load of guns are now off the street when in actual fact potentially only a few or none if they turn out to be deactivated. If they claimed to have found a major haul of cocaine yet most of it turned out to be flour would you not think that dishonest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Your post failed to highlight what they had found, but seemed to gloat about what you thought they hadn't found. It stuck in my throat. They shouldn't exaggerate - fair enough - but the public should support them, not find the slightest excuse to decry them. That is what I find unacceptable. Edited April 17, 2014 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 The problem is Gordon that none of the press releases actually detail what they have found. I will say that a couple certainly look modified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 The fact that they don't detail what they found doesn't stop some from swiftly applying the boot - almost as if they had been waiting for the opportunity. Perish the thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Did you see the old revolver frame? if someone pointed that at you might you do a number 2 in fear or a number 1 in laughter? On another note every machine pistol and Makarov they get off the streets the better but co2 pistols? Get real a rubber bedroom toy has to be far more dangerous in the wrong place than a little iddy biddy BB gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double10 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 does the air pistol at the bottom of the picture count as one of 'The 30 firearms seized'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 does the air pistol at the bottom of the picture count as one of 'The 30 firearms seized'? It will in the eyes of the law! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Anyone see the big splash article in the Evening Standard? "London Gangs Exploit Law To Get Guns". Easily down to their usual standard! Calling Browning HiPower and Webley mk6 "antique which you can buy legally". Sheesh! Plus a spokesman for NABIS saying "you are entitled to walk down the street with a antique weapon capable of firing real bullets" - as before, disingenuous. Intent immediately makes it OffWep - loading it, or even having ammunition for it stops it being classed as an antique. Plus, "he warns that as the centenary of the First World War passes, more modern weapons such as automatic pistols will become classified as antiques and legal to own." If he works for NABIS, he really ought to know better. And finally, before I explode all over the screen: "Campaigners say the Act fails to define'antique', but leaves it to the police and courts to define" Spherical objects! The Act defines it quite carefully; the police don't get to define the law, and in this case the courts don't need to. And.... breathe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peskyfoxs Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2606869/An-assassins-armoury-Uzi-submachine-gun-James-Bonds-pistol-WWII-Tommy-gun-seized-suburban-home.html lot more indivdual pics on this link, lots of air guns. as well as a sawn off shotgun amongst others Edited April 17, 2014 by Peskyfoxs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted April 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Your post failed to highlight what they had found, but seemed to gloat about what you thought they hadn't found. It stuck in my throat. They shouldn't exaggerate - fair enough - but the public should support them, not find the slightest excuse to decry them. That is what I find unacceptable. I was in no way gloating so apologies if that's how it read to you, sadly the trouble with text is it's not always clear what the tone is. The point I was trying to make was the consistent misreporting of guns seized when many of them are not guns so while the public may think how good it is that guns are off the street but the sad reality is many of these are not guns and so have no effect in the number of guns in the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 The story suggested some sort of gangland armourer... More likely more a misguided collector, every unlawful gun out of unlawful hands is a good thing. However every skewed haul pushes the stats wrong. "Are we good we took 200 guns off the streets, we should get a medal and more funding, promotions etc", "199 of them were spud guns...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I must admit I get a little vexed with these reports. While there is no way of telling which of the genuine firearms( such as the Thompson and one or two of the auto pistols) are indeed fully functional firearms, the reporting of the find by Police and the reporting of the find by the media are intended to impress and shock an unknowledgeable general public. The Police deliberately will not categorise finds such as these by funcionality or what defines a firearm by law. It isn't in their interest to do so. A prime example is in the Royal Armouries in Leeds where there is a section on Fireams and Crime. One of the displays contains a jumbled up display of all the firearms surrendered during the various amnesties over the years. It is an impressive haul, until closer examination reveals most of the 'firearms' on display are in fact not. It is typical of reporting biased by agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Lets not forget journalists have put there spin on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 How simple can this be, the press sell the papers and don't worry about the truth getting in the way of a good story. Not unlike a few on here. Some of the guns were airguns, fair enough, some were sub machine guns. They are very naughty. I like a laugh and a joke but don't knock trident, they target armourers, not many others do, hence they will cause issues with people selling guns. This is rare as mostly they are the pinnacle of covert policing and recover numerous weapons, I know as I have kept the pics of the guns I have seized, I know I have upset people in my day job, I also know I have helped people with items seized and made sure they are released asap so not to inconvenience law abiding shooters. Not often have I found someone lawfully in possession of a sub machine gun, or for that matter over a ton of drugs, it wasn't much fun moving that about to be fair. As an officer I realise everyone can do my job better than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikingRebel Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/man-charged-after-firearms-seizure A Metropolitan Police spokesman said Dean Stokes, 50, a gardener, of Balmoral Road, Leyton, east London, would appear in custody at Thames Magistrates' Court tomorrow charged with one count of possession of a pump action rifle, contrary to Section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968, and one count of possession of ammunition without a certificate, contrary to Section 1 of the Firearms Act 1968. Police said earlier that the size of the seizure was "exceptional". No, it wasn't really "exceptional" now was it? It was just a bunch of airguns, some deacts and one real pump action rifle. But I suppose the Met don't let awkward little facts get in the way of their posturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 The others would have been sent for expert analysis pending further charges.Same way drugs get a lab report giving the specifics. Hope that doesnt stop the speculation train. F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 ... As an officer I realise everyone can do my job better than me. I don't think anyone is suggesting or implying that they can do the job better - more a case of disappointment that a good job done is being let down by poorly conceived tabloid-ish publicity. Illegal firearms (the sawn-off, submachine guns, if that's what they were, not deacs) off the street and out of the hands of scrotes - great. Publishing a trophy photo including starting pistols and airguns, all described as illegal firearms - not so great. Tends to lose you some sympathy and support from a law-abiding section of the community who could reasonably be expected to be right behind the aims of Trident, but are rather touchy about this sort of "All Guns Are Evil" publicity. I do realise that you can't necessarily control what the papers actually print, but the material released could be better chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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