Scully Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Think you mixed up number of seats and gains/losses. By the way, UKIP may not have won control of any council, but no one has commented that that is because not all seats were contested. Eg. Basildon; there are 42 seats on the council, but only 15 were up for election and of those 15, UKIP won 11 (nearly 75%) Had all the seats been contested, they would have won control. Copied straight from the scroll bar on the BBC Vote 2014 programme at the time of my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) I have long thought that Hague had his turn at the top too early. I think he would be a good candidate. If there is a challenge for the leadership then BoJo must surely be factored in. Edited May 23, 2014 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 For the Conservatives to stay in power after 2015 Cameron will have to be replaced. The backbenches will be putting pressure on for change, and I would predict the eurosceptics amongst them (and there are quite a few) will be looking for a new leader. The conservatives, like it or not, need UKIP for them to stay in power after the general election. I don't believe Cameron would do a deal with Farage, and once that becomes clear the Tories will be plotting his demise and looking for a replacement who will do that deal. Hague and Duncan Smith would both be in the frame. Although Hague has tempered his view on Europe in recent years the lure of leadership may well fire him up again. IDS is openly sceptic. I suspect there will be a lot of talks behind closed doors in the next couple of weeks. If UKIP top the polls on Sunday, especially by a clear margin, then I can't see Miliband or Clegg lasting more than a couple of months. It's certainly interesting times, and for a party with no overall council control and no MP's in office they are without doubt causing the 'political earthquake' they promised. I have long thought that Hague had his turn at the top too early. I think he would be a good candidate.If there is a challenge for the leadership then BoJo must surely be factored in. I'd forgotten about Boris. Some sort of deal/pact between him and Farage would be priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Boris and Nigel would be mental,they would certainly liven everything up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Yep fair play to Nigel and the gang they have given the two main parties a real kick up the ****. I'm happy to eat humble pie... although I did actually expect them to do even better. The real work starts for them now though. They have admirably demonstrated they can talk the talk now they have to walk the walk and deliver. The British voter is extremely fickle and it will be extremely challenging for UKIP from now on. I think perhaps Lib Dem have disappeared as the third party in the mind of the electorate and will evaporate into oblivion after the next GE. I think the Conservatives would actually do well to displace Cameron in fact. He's not a statesman in the old school and never will be. Hague is the man to lead the Conservatives forward in the next 10 years. Well done. Hell fire! You've said something I agree with. Can't go along with Hague though. He's yesterday's man and he hasn't the fire in his belly any more. The toughest cookie on the Tory front bench is Theresa May. She's got more balls that the rest of them put together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Sorry to say it but Danny Alexander,he looks and acts like a 6th former and reminds me of the pilsbury dough boy,harsh but he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Not literally i hope? Hague has been parliamentarian of the year a few times, has respect on both sides of the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Well isn't it strange how the figures on immigration showing there was a significant rise were held back until votes had been cast,The political elite wouldn't have done it on purpose would they! Manipulating, lying, deceitful, idiots. https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/significant-rise-number-eu-immigrants-133225770.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Whether you are UKIP, Conservative, Labour, Lib Deb, Natural England, BNP, NF, MR loony or Klu Klux Klan….to withdraw your government from the biggest Economy in the world in the 21st century is absolute folly and will be total disaster for GB Industry and Commerce. I don’t doubt that UKIP will do very well in tomorrow’s protest elections and get plenty of MEP’s travelling over to Brussels for an extended holiday at the taxpayers’ expense. Thereafter what will they do.? The party will disintegrate and desist after the next General Election. Early next week the markets will react to any victory of UKIP at the polls and the melt down will start with millions of pounds being wiped off Eurozone backed and GB held funds, equities and shares… I would advise anyone who has a flexible investment plan to re distribute these now as a precaution before it’s too late and you lose a pile off your pensions or investments… That’s not scaremongering that’s a message I’ve just received from my Fund Manager. Nige has already shifted most of his I expect no doubt bought a load of Krugerrands and stuffed them away in Switzerland. Mike, Is yourFund Manager the same bloke who gives you the horse racing tips? Whilst I accept that the Euro results are not in yet I think everybody can see where they are going and the impact on the market has so far been ......... nothing. A very dull day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Mike, Is yourFund Manager the same bloke who gives you the horse racing tips? Whilst I accept that the Euro results are not in yet I think everybody can see where they are going and the impact on the market has so far been ......... nothing. A very dull day. Just wait and see AVB wait and see.... Hell fire! You've said something I agree with. Can't go along with Hague though. He's yesterday's man and he hasn't the fire in his belly any more. The toughest cookie on the Tory front bench is Theresa May. She's got more balls that the rest of them put together. Agreed but which one do we have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 For the Conservatives to stay in power after 2015 Cameron will have to be replaced. The backbenches will be putting pressure on for change, and I would predict the eurosceptics amongst them (and there are quite a few) will be looking for a new leader. The conservatives, like it or not, need UKIP for them to stay in power after the general election. I don't believe Cameron would do a deal with Farage, and once that becomes clear the Tories will be plotting his demise and looking for a replacement who will do that deal. Hague and Duncan Smith would both be in the frame. Although Hague has tempered his view on Europe in recent years the lure of leadership may well fire him up again. IDS is openly sceptic. I suspect there will be a lot of talks behind closed doors in the next couple of weeks. If UKIP top the polls on Sunday, especially by a clear margin, then I can't see Miliband or Clegg lasting more than a couple of months. It's certainly interesting times, and for a party with no overall council control and no MP's in office they are without doubt causing the 'political earthquake' they promised. I'd forgotten about Boris. Some sort of deal/pact between him and Farage would be priceless. Pure comedy gold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Hague is a clever down to earth, and dare i say it if he gets to be older ...a statesman.......but i could never vote for him , as everytime i see him i see him as a 15 year old boy at the conservertive party conference making a tit of himself with Thatcher drooling all over him...then i see heseltine doing his "turn" and it is all very gutwrenching stuff..............i just want shot of all that baggage ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Hague is a clever down to earth, and dare i say it if he gets to be older ...a statesman.......but i could never vote for him , as everytime i see him i see him as a 15 year old boy at the conservertive party conference making a tit of himself with Thatcher drooling all over him...then i see heseltine doing his "turn" and it is all very gutwrenching stuff..............i just want shot of all that baggage ! I cannot stand Hague to full of his own importance for me I do like the education guy forgot his name but he is unusual for a polatision in that he changes his mind most of them will never admit that they got something wrong but he dose at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Well isn't it strange how the figures on immigration showing there was a significant rise were held back until votes had been cast,The political elite wouldn't have done it on purpose would they! Manipulating, lying, deceitful, idiots. https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/significant-rise-number-eu-immigrants-133225770.html To be fair it was mentioned , but it was not pushed the same way as was any opportunity to knock UKIP interesting to see that flatfish lookalike millipede denying that immigration was an issue, the guy is unreal, as they say for some you end Up Believing What You Want to Believe. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I could vote for Liam Fox as Tory leader but he'd have to tear up most of Cameron's manifesto and start again. But a Tory leadership change isn't likely to happen this close to a general election. And I'm sure a pre-election pact would be bad for both Ukip and the Tories and bad for democracy. Voters would be put off by such shabby horse trading. It would smack of the Blair/Brown racket all over again. I would like to think the rise of Ukip might help to purge the Tories of the centre-left, metropolitan old Etonian clique (and that includes Boris Johnson) which has hi-jacked the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Hague is a clever down to earth, and dare i say it if he gets to be older ...a statesman.......but i could never vote for him , as everytime i see him i see him as a 15 year old boy at the conservertive party conference making a tit of himself with Thatcher drooling all over him...then i see heseltine doing his "turn" and it is all very gutwrenching stuff..............i just want shot of all that baggage ! Tory boy personified ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Tory boy personified ! That's no bad thing in my opinion. Maybe if all the parties elected leaders to represent their core voters there wouldn't be the division they're experiencing at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 That's no bad thing in my opinion. Only if its happening to some other poor sod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 34 pages, and still rumbling along. Check out the thread on the same elections 5 years ago. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/89687-euro-and-local-elections/?hl=%2Beuro+%2Belections Seems like UKIP, if nothing else, have stimulated much more interest on PW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 16 pages was my aim, but it has exceeded all my expectations a big thanks to FM and pyxsi ologgist without them this thread would not have been half as successful,A big shout out to pesky ologist Jake sends his best(i think he treats you as an intellectual equal) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 34 pages, and still rumbling along. Check out the thread on the same elections 5 years ago. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/89687-euro-and-local-elections/?hl=%2Beuro+%2Belections Seems like UKIP, if nothing else, have stimulated much more interest on PW. UKIP...United Killers of Irritating Pigeons.......ok.........I admit..I have been drinking...nanight all. hic................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 looks like you have your answer …… to the OP question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Mike, Is yourFund Manager the same bloke who gives you the horse racing tips? Whilst I accept that the Euro results are not in yet I think everybody can see where they are going and the impact on the market has so far been ......... nothing. A very dull day. Just wait and see AVB wait and see.... Agreed but which one do we have... Well the results are known and the markets have reacted........ In a slightly positive way with the FTSE, CAC and DAX all up. Admit it Mike. Your Fund Manger is also your racing tipster isn't he/she. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Fishy Mike has gone quiet... funny that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Fishy Mike has gone quiet... funny that I was thinking that myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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