bostonmick Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Nothing wrong with treating equipment with respect, I believe you should, but why buy something for a particular purpose and then be scared of getting it muddy and crapped up. Don't understand why you would buy it in the first place. Should have bought something fit for the purpose, that's my view. I never bought the range rover just for shooting it has to get me around the farm for normal work as well.and then it takes me on the road anywhere I need to be.all I can say to those who think you should abuse everything to destruction is you have obviously not had to work hard for your 💵 .atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 One should use ones stuff but not abuse it for the sake of it, only daft people or those who have never had to work hard for their stuff abuse it for the crack. Funny how some employees wreck company stuff without a care in the world and yet treat their own stuff with kid gloves. There has to be some balance in this, long grass round here could be deadly if it hides great big rocks that will take out your sump etc. Pet hate of mine (I seem to have a few to be honest), is folk using going shooting as an excuse for a 4x4 cross country expedition, chewing up the green lanes, rutting up the headlands, going through wet places deliberately, looks a complete mess for week afterwards. Once you get to your land, if it's wet, unless you can use bona fide hard topped farm tracks, park up and walk! Or get a vehicle with low pressure tyres more suitable for the job.Heck some do ten times the damage of the pests they seek, might be better off shooting themselves than a few bunnies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumpy69 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) There has to be some balance in this, long grass round here could be deadly if it hides great big rocks that will take out your sump etc. Exactly this happened to me. Not fun when you have to get towed home as every last bit of oil is dumped into said long grass with hidden rock. Luckily I turned the engine of after I reversed off the rock whilst checking for damage or could have been worse than just a new sump. Edited June 23, 2014 by stumpy69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Your dog will be fine picking up inlaid or standing barley . Just check the dog over when you get home . Don't let the dog hunt in the standing barley ,as he is likely to do more damage than good . Any bird that cannot be picked easily then just leave it where it is . Harnser A visual is just not adequate enough. The greatest risk from awns is the dog inhaling them, airways and lungs. How do you suggest people check for that? The damage often doesn't show for 6 months. Now of course, there will be some who don't give a flying fig about the welfare of their dog, Hell, we've even had people on here destroying their own dogs Ignorance is a dangerous thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 A visual is just not adequate enough. The greatest risk from awns is the dog inhaling them, airways and lungs. How do you suggest people check for that? The damage often doesn't show for 6 months. Now of course, there will be some who don't give a flying fig about the welfare of their dog, Hell, we've even had people on here destroying their own dogs Ignorance is a dangerous thing Exactly what I said earlier. What if ,what if . If it bothers you that much then leave the dog at home and go on your own . Taking a hunting dog out in the field and it will be exposed to certain dangers . Well trained dogs and well trained handlers suffer very few problems . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Exactly what I said earlier. What if ,what if . If it bothers you that much then leave the dog at home and go on your own . Taking a hunting dog out in the field and it will be exposed to certain dangers . Well trained dogs and well trained handlers suffer very few problems . Harnser still cost a top dog trainer local to me £7000 after getting his sprocker to jump a fence and on landing it snapped its front leg in two, it was not a pretty sight I can assure you, what makes it worse is the dog is now retired due to its injury,,shame,, with regards using a vehicle on land I shoot,,i would rather walk around cos you never know whats gonna pop out of a hedgeline, anyway I,m off fishing now to try and get some thorns in my new wellies atb Evo ps edited cos I put willies instead of wellies lol Edited June 23, 2014 by evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 But you really meant willies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Crickey Evo, when you need the swear filter for something really offensive, it doesn't work Back on the subject, dogs barley etc. I have just been working with a vet. Barley, speargrass, etc. VERY big problem! Cheapest and least problematic, in the paws. Incredibly painful, antibiotics, minimum of two visits, £150+. Next level is where the awns migrate, surgery, needle in a haystack job,£500+ The next level is where it is either inhaled or goes into the soft skin behind the elbow. Straight into the heart and lung area.......FATAL. So you crack on Harnser. Subject your dog to whatever you like. I just about got away with it, pure luck and swift veterinary treatment. Some of us learn from experience. Others research and act on it........................and some...well.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I will let my dog go into green standing barley but i don`t put my dog into standing barley that is near ripe.I let her go onto barley stubble but always give her a check over when home. Another to watch is rape stubble.The worst injury my dog has suffered from was when she was running in a rape stubble field and got speared with a piece.She had a nice hole on the inside of one of her back legs but luckily it healed nicely and did not cause any permanent damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Crickey Evo, when you need the swear filter for something really offensive, it doesn't work Back on the subject, dogs barley etc. I have just been working with a vet. Barley, speargrass, etc. VERY big problem! Cheapest and least problematic, in the paws. Incredibly painful, antibiotics, minimum of two visits, £150+. Next level is where the awns migrate, surgery, needle in a haystack job,£500+ The next level is where it is either inhaled or goes into the soft skin behind the elbow. Straight into the heart and lung area.......FATAL. So you crack on Harnser. Subject your dog to whatever you like. I just about got away with it, pure luck and swift veterinary treatment. Some of us learn from experience. Others research and act on it........................and some...well.............. So where do you work your dog ? Ever been on the fore shore and retrieves from tidal water , retrieves from muddy inlets , retrieves from sedge and reed beds ,retrieves from knarled alder groves ,retrieves from fast flowing rivers ,retrieves from Lilly pads . All could pose a problem for a dog . But acceptable for most owners . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 So where do you work your dog ? Ever been on the fore shore and retrieves from tidal water , retrieves from muddy inlets , retrieves from sedge and reed beds ,retrieves from knarled alder groves ,retrieves from fast flowing rivers ,retrieves from Lilly pads . All could pose a problem for a dog . But acceptable for most owners . Harnser Fair comment. Next time I see the Vet, I'll ask how many have been treated after being exposed to all the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennett Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Barley stubble and standing barley are 2 different things, would quite happily work mine on stubble but wouldn't dream of sending them into standing crops, for their benefit and the crops! Yes things should be used as they are intended, 4x4s are fun to use and get muddy, right up until they need fixing. People should be able to choose how and what they do, after all for most of us shooting is a hobby not a job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 When ever I get into my car I put the seat belt on and hope that the air bags will work if I have a crash and then I drive safe and carefully . The same applies when you take your dog into the field . Check that there are no immediate danger to the dog and work him with a view to keeping him safe . Just enjoy watching the dog work and not worry about all the things that may or may not go wrong . Happy hunting . What if he gets bitten by an adder or a big old red stag gores him . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b325 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 The op has shown his curmudgeonly side on other threads of late. If people want to look after their dogs or their vehicles that is up to them. I do and would encourage others to do the same. Having a pop at such people is unnecessary. JDog hits the nail on the head yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 When ever I get into my car I put the seat belt on and hope that the air bags will work if I have a crash and then I drive safe and carefully . The same applies when you take your dog into the field . Check that there are no immediate danger to the dog and work him with a view to keeping him safe . Just enjoy watching the dog work and not worry about all the things that may or may not go wrong . Happy hunting . What if he gets bitten by an adder or a big old red stag gores him . Harnser your first statement was about working dogs in barley and people are just explaining why they would not want to or would be cautious about doing so. Your can bring up all the scenarios you want but if people want to minimise risks to their dogs why is it such a problem to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davie_M Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Rain hail or snow would just be nice to get out at the moment if things don't change soon will be selling up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I never bought the range rover just for shooting it has to get me around the farm for normal work as well.and then it takes me on the road anywhere I need to be.all I can say to those who think you should abuse everything to destruction is you have obviously not had to work hard for your .atb The range rover is designed to go anywhere so what's the problem. I'm not suggesting you take it down a track where you're likely to bounce off a tree or anything daft like that. But surely it will take you to most places you'll ever need to get to. Mud washes off very easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 What a topic. Could have been really quite interesting but I think most of us are grown ups, capable of making all sorts of decisions for ourselves. I think its called arrogance when one presumes to give advice to others who don't ask for it. Do as you choose - just leave me to do as I choose and keep your Victor Meldrew opinions for those who appreciate them perhaps ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 The range rover is designed to go anywhere so what's the problem. I'm not suggesting you take it down a track where you're likely to bounce off a tree or anything daft like that. But surely it will take you to most places you'll ever need to get to. Mud washes off very easily It's been a lot of years since they were made to go anywhere.but feel free to treat yours as you wish.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Bostonmick, I'm sorry I didn't mean to sound flippant about the car, I was trying to be sensible. Have you been on the off road day that land rover do? If so then you have made your mind up and it's your choice and fair enough and nobody else's. If you haven't you will be amazed at what they can do. (Without damaging them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Bostonmick, I'm sorry I didn't mean to sound flippant about the car, I was trying to be sensible. Have you been on the off road day that land rover do? If so then you have made your mind up and it's your choice and fair enough and nobody else's. If you haven't you will be amazed at what they can do. (Without damaging them) No problem I never take anything on here as serious. I have done those days and yes they are quite good.but I have in the past moved the front axle on one that dropped into a hidden hole it was the end of that particular car.to expensive to repair.I think the only ones being flippant on here are the ones saying if they had an expensive 4x4 and a 15-20k gun with their 8k trained dog they would use them nomatter what the conditions.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) No problem I never take anything on here as serious. I have done those days and yes they are quite good.but I have in the past moved the front axle on one that dropped into a hidden hole it was the end of that particular car.to expensive to repair.I think the only ones being flippant on here are the ones saying if they had an expensive 4x4 and a 15-20k gun with their 8k trained dog they would use them nomatter what the conditions.atb I see your point, if I was out shooting with a £100k purdey I'm pretty certain I'd cry if it rained Edited June 24, 2014 by Ttfjlc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I see your point, if I was out shooting with a £100k purdey I'm pretty certain I'd cry if it rained If I could afford to shoot a £100.000 Purdy I'd have my man clean it and put it in its box in the Wange Wover and wouldn't worry about it what. If a purdy can't take the weather and shooting our cheap tat might aswell go in the bin now. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 quit your moaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Fair comment. Next time I see the Vet, I'll ask how many have been treated after being exposed to all the above You talk about welfare but people who work dogs need to know when to run to the vet or not. If you are working dogs you should have a good grasp of how to look after them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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