markm Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) Not as much as the fire service? You're having a laugh! I contribute £100 more a month than I did 2 years ago without my wages going up. Teacher - retire at 65 Fire - retire at 50 (maybe 55) Teacher - work on 80ths Fire - work on 60ths If I take a big lump sum after 40 years of service I will get £50,000 less than before and less per month. I would take their deal tomorrow as I'm sure most teachers would. Edited July 10, 2014 by markm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroku_fan Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 To all you keyboard warriors who have little or no sympathy for the teaching profession all I have to say to you is that if it is such a good deal why are you not a teacher? Let the excuses roll... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Umm, I can't stand children under 20 years of age. Is that a good enough one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 If your a teacher and don't like the job get another same as the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 To all you keyboard warriors who have little or no sympathy for the teaching profession all I have to say to you is that if it is such a good deal why are you not a teacher? Let the excuses roll... Errrrrrr simple, I didn't want to be a teacher. And to the teachers, if you are a teacher I must assume that you actually wanted to be a teacher and as a reasonably educated person you would have apparently known at the time "oh, how so terrible it is to be a teacher". So, you went into it with your eyes open so don't **** and moan about it, it was your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) If your a teacher and don't like the job get another same as the rest of us. Good point, I use to earn a fortune fixing other people's oil and gas wells but couldn't stand getting covered in **** everyday, never being at home and the constant fear of losing limbs and appendages/ getting poisoned/ blown up/ dying in a chopper accident. So I quit, earned next to **** all for ten years whilst I retrained, put myself through University and then reclimbed the professional ladder. Mind you, the older you get and the more commitments you have the firmer that particular door is sealed shut. Edited July 10, 2014 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 To all you keyboard warriors who have little or no sympathy for the teaching profession all I have to say to you is that if it is such a good deal why are you not a teacher? Let the excuses roll... It was your choice I'm not a teacher but have had the job of teaching youngsters straight from school And sadley not impressed with the product Not your fault but welcome to the real world Long hours No pay rise Rising costs Eroded pension plans Sorry no sympathy All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashman1 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Bone idle. No more to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 If your a teacher and don't like the job get another same as the rest of us. And if you are not a Teacher and are jealous of their lot put yourself out get educated, then get qualified to apply for a job same as them, but hey dont let simple things like that stop the moaning whining old women on here griping as per usual. I spent last Tuesday in a local school doing an observation of a teacher, a young woman who was absolutely dedicated to providing the best education possible to the kids, (12 year olds) the class was pleasure to be in, the warmth for the teacher and willingness of the kids to take part was joy to see, was she worth her pay? worth every penny and more. KW Bone idle. No more to say you should join a gym, that will get you moving. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I spent last Tuesday in a local school doing an observation of a teacher, a young woman KW Is that allowed these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Wonder what people will be saying when they all have to pay for education at £3000 per term. Education will only be available to those who can afford it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroku_fan Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I made no mention of disliking or moaning about my job as a school teacher. This is a job that I have done for over 32 years so this is something that I simply did not drift in to. I actually enjoy teaching. What I find particularly frustrating from reading some of the comments on this forum is that the public do not realise how the expectations and workload of the teacher has changed when Education became a political football. Teachers have become society's whipping boys for all the perceived problems of the youth of today. I think that it is sad that one parent on here is disappointed with the education that his child received at school. We all have a responsibility for the education of the young. It is sometimes far too easy too point a finger than accept our responsibilities as parents. I find it further disheartening that other professional people would rather join in this verbal assault than attempt to set a standard. I suppose it takes the heat off solicitors and the like for a short while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 It's a Joke IMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 It's a Joke IMO! What is bullet boy? The fact that teachers conditions are being eroded away and they have had to go on strike or The conditions they already enjoy so why have they gone on strike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 MPs will see their salaries rise by 11% by May 2015 'Quote from Sky News'. So how about putting ALL taxpayer funded workers on the same pay & expenses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 1% for me since 2010,I think we need to get behind teachers as more and more schools are becoming academies , the 1st step to privatisation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 What is bullet boy? The fact that teachers conditions are being eroded away and they have had to go on strike or The conditions they already enjoy so why have they gone on strike No this country is bud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I've been a teacher for 20 odd years. I used to enjoy it. It has changed massively in that time. It is hard doing a job you are beginning to hate. Very hard. I will not be physically able to do such an intense job until I am 68. It is morally wrong too - the children's education will suffer through being taught by a a burnt out husk and young teachers will have no jobs available. I will be getting out and taking a job in Tesco but until the mortgage is paid off I can't risk it. As for strikes, I hate them. I've never participated as I hate unions. I have to be in a union to be insured but I treat it like car insurance and change unions annually for the best deal. I even investigated setting up professional insurance scheme for teachers that meant I didn't have to be in a union, but I couldn't get the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 To all you keyboard warriors who have little or no sympathy for the teaching profession all I have to say to you is that if it is such a good deal why are you not a teacher? Let the excuses roll...Miroku warrior. I have no excuses I didn't and don't want to be a teacher nor am I arguing. I answered the question like they told me to do at school. Remember, read the question then answer it. I find your answer risible . I'm a governor of a local school I support teachers but do not in this argument support the strike, but as a non teacher that's not my call. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neillfrbs Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Errrrrrr simple, I didn't want to be a teacher. And to the teachers, if you are a teacher I must assume that you actually wanted to be a teacher and as a reasonably educated person you would have apparently known at the time "oh, how so terrible it is to be a teacher". So, you went into it with your eyes open so don't **** and moan about it, it was your choice. well said that man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Not as much as the fire service? You're having a laugh! I contribute £100 more a month than I did 2 years ago without my wages going up. Teacher - retire at 65 Fire - retire at 50 (maybe 55) Teacher - work on 80ths Fire - work on 60ths If I take a big lump sum after 40 years of service I will get £50,000 less than before and less per month. I would take their deal tomorrow as I'm sure most teachers would. I believe the reason why I support the fireservice is that there pension and retirement age are being pushed upwards meaning that you will be expecting 60 year old men and women to jump into burning buildings or retire early on a much reduced pension. I believe it a dangerous and cynical plan. Teachers pensions are being eroded and although I would rather they weren't we are in a finacial hole and public pensions have to be dealt with. My wife's a nurse and will soon be able to work shifts on far less pay than teachers and still get to work until they tell her she can retire, not the contract she signed up for! So although your claims are true I have far more sympathies for other professions going through similar changes. If I were a teacher I would be angry. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Not just teachers, but anyone who strikes should be asked to leave there position Try being self employed for a few years that will put things in perspective All just my opinion of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I can recommend the London Philharmonic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 my brothers a teacher he says when ever people have a pop at him about the holidays "nothing to stop anyone else getting on the gravy train" winds em right up but he's right dont winge become a teacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic1281 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I believe the reason why I support the fireservice is that there pension and retirement age are being pushed upwards meaning that you will be expecting 60 year old men and women to jump into burning buildings or retire early on a much reduced pension. I believe it a dangerous and cynical plan. Teachers pensions are being eroded and although I would rather they weren't we are in a finacial hole and public pensions have to be dealt with. My wife's a nurse and will soon be able to work shifts on far less pay than teachers and still get to work until they tell her she can retire, not the contract she signed up for! So although your claims are true I have far more sympathies for other professions going through similar changes. If I were a teacher I would be angry. John. would you want a 68 year old paramedic carrying you or your family down the stairs? we already don't retire until 65 as we are not officially an emergency service so don't get the same benefits as other services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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