aris Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 He wont have to! if they vote yes as I dearly hope they do then they wont be in the united kingdom,they will be on their tod not in the EU not in the UK, but they really can have their own tartan army :lol: They will still be UK citizens though - just living in another country. Being a UK citizen offers all sorts of benefits of course, like consular support, and the ability to live and work in any EU country, no need for visas when visiting most countries, etc. Just wondering if Scots who vote yes will put their patriotism above that convenience by renouncing their UK citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 We should never have joined the EU and then it wouldn't matter about EU benefits. We would still have a proper commonwealth with Britain and the rest of the commonwealth together. The only reason we have the EU is because we wouldn't let France join it so they started their own club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 JUST A THOUGHT............... Instead of all this bitterness between England and Scotland that has over the years developed.....shouldnt we be saying to them "okay you want to go it alone.....persude all your people that it would be benificial for both of us to do so...mindful we we give you all the help you need to do so, to see you get started and continue well" then all this rubbish between "us and them" will stop...they will become precious trading partners and firm trustworthy friends and possibly a closer bond will develope between the 2 countries sounds airy fairey...might just work tho !! spoken by a true gent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 "they will become precious trading partners and firm trustworthy friends and possibly a closer bond will develop between the 2 countries." I actually thought thats what we had but apprently it was me just wishful thinking - now I have decided not to be so stupid in future, so my vote would be - kick over the traces and take care on your own Scotland, because although it may not be all who decide to go it will be the majority or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 £12bn overspend on the Olympics? Really? Are you sure you have your currency correct? The official budget was set in 2007 (not when the bid was made) at £9.35bn. The actual costs quoted were £8.77bn. Agreed however £18bn being spent on new tube line? How is it there is no shortage of money where London is concerned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 They will still be UK citizens though - just living in another country. Being a UK citizen offers all sorts of benefits of course, like consular support, and the ability to live and work in any EU country, no need for visas when visiting most countries, etc. Just wondering if Scots who vote yes will put their patriotism above that convenience by renouncing their UK citizenship. UK means United Kingdom and it will be changed on OUR passports from ‘The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland’ to ‘The United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland’.note not so bonny Scotland will not be in it, as you say they will have no embassy's seemingly no currency as ours is the UK currency it cant be theirs,and all the other benefits of being united, still half of the population will have removed a very large chip from their shoulder, till the honeymoon of jimmy and Janette is over. KW ‘ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) UK means United Kingdom and it will be changed on OUR passports from ‘The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland’ to ‘The United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland’.note not so bonny Scotland will not be in it, as you say they will have no embassy's seemingly no currency as ours is the UK currency it cant be theirs,and all the other benefits of being united, still half of the population will have removed a very large chip from their shoulder, till the honeymoon of jimmy and Janette is over. KW They will still be UK citizens regardless of where they live - just like someone who has moved to Spain, or even Canada is still a UK citizen when they live there. I doubt very much we will see wholesale renunciation of UK citizenship though. I suspect many across the border will hedge their bets and relish the opportunity to move down south if necessary. Edited September 17, 2014 by aris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 What ever way the vote goes , there will be some scores to settle north of the border . Well done king Alex you have done more to separate the good folk of Scotland than any English king or queen could have done . Harnser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Wonder if an English pound will have a different value to a Scottish pound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Agreed however £18bn being spent on new tube line? How is it there is no shortage of money where London is concerned? Because we make all the money that everybody else in the country spends. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Wonder if an English pound will have a different value to a Scottish pound. of course it will They will still be UK citizens regardless of where they live - just like someone who has moved to Spain, or even Canada is still a UK citizen when they live there. I doubt very much we will see wholesale renunciation of UK citizenship though. I suspect many across the border will hedge their bets and relish the opportunity to move down south if necessary. I give in I will ask again if they aint part of the UK how can they be UK citizens? if I go to Spain I am still a UK citizen as being English I am from the UK a jock going to spain will be jock as he will not live in the UK so he cant come from the UK or be called a UK citizen , billy blowfish wants to use what will be our embassy's he wants to use our currency and be bankrolled by the UK via the bank of England, he want open borders he wants the UK health and education services but he wants all the so called Scottish oil revenue, they sooner they clear off and meet reality the better, come on you undecided jocks get an X on the yes box PLEASE. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I give in I will ask again if they aint part of the UK how can they be UK citizens? if I go to Spain I am still a UK citizen as being English I am from the UK a jock going to spain will be jock as he will not live in the UK so he cant come from the UK or be called a UK citizen , billy blowfish wants to use what will be our embassy's he wants to use our currency and be bankrolled by the UK via the bank of England, he want open borders he wants the UK health and education services but he wants all the so called Scottish oil revenue, they sooner they clear off and meet reality the better, come on you undecided jocks get an X on the yes box PLEASE. Because they were born UK citizens. There are very limited circumstances in which you can revoke citizenship, and it is against UN convention to render someone stateless. Some countries do not allow dual citizenship. If you take the citizenship of another country, you lose your other citizenship (if you own up to it). But the UK is not one of those countries - they allow dual citizenship. I think you are mistaking citizenship with domicile. Yes, it does seem absurd that a non-UK taxpayer and non-UK resident can receive consular support purely on the fact that they have a UK passport. IMHO this should change, or at the very least there should be an extra charge for passport renewals for non-UK taxpayers. Running 500+ embassies and consulates around the world costs alot of money - and someone has to pay for it. I think Scots will also get a bit of a wake-up call when they have to take a day off work to go to an embassy or consulate in a major centre to get their passports renewed. Having lived overseas, i've seen this first hand myself. No more popping down to the Post Office to renew your passport. You are an expat now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Because they were born UK citizens. There are very limited circumstances in which you can revoke citizenship, and it is against UN convention to render someone stateless. Some countries do not allow dual citizenship. If you take the citizenship of another country, you lose your other citizenship (if you own up to it). But the UK is not one of those countries - they allow dual citizenship. I think you are mistaking citizenship with domicile. Yes, it does seem absurd that a non-UK taxpayer and non-UK resident can receive consular support purely on the fact that they have a UK passport. IMHO this should change, or at the very least there should be an extra charge for passport renewals for non-UK taxpayers. Running 500+ embassies and consulates around the world costs alot of money - and someone has to pay for it. I think Scots will also get a bit of a wake-up call when they have to take a day off work to go to an embassy or consulate in a major centre to get their passports renewed. Having lived overseas, i've seen this first hand myself. No more popping down to the Post Office to renew your passport. You are an expat now. So would this mean Scots could move south of the border and claim benefits? All very confusing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 So would this mean Scots could move south of the border and claim benefits? All very confusing.. In theory - yes! As could any UK citizen living anywhere in the world. I can quite easily see benefit tourism with people going where they get the best 'deal'. Another reason why the benefits system has to radically change in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 More divisions: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/shetland-may-reconsider-place-scotland-yes-vote-alistair-carmichael Oil-rich Shetland may want to reconsider whether it stays part of an independent Scotland in the event of a yes vote, the Scotland secretary, Alistair Carmichael, has said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 In theory - yes! As could any UK citizen living anywhere in the world. I can quite easily see benefit tourism with people going where they get the best 'deal'. Another reason why the benefits system has to radically change in the UK. So we're basically ****ed regardless of which way it goes then... great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 So we're basically ****** regardless of which way it goes then... great Yes, it's a lose-lose situation in many ways than just this. Hopefully all that oil money will keep those on benefit and the heroin addicts where they are. What is also unclear (like many things in the Yes campaign) is who will qualify for "Scottish" citizenship. Will you have to be born there? Have lived there for a certain number of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 This debate on PW has been great... I would at this point, like to thank the mod`s for allowing the discussion & debate to go on this long and I hope it will continue with frank and open good banter up to and beyond the 18th. Here here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 A question for Crowdie and the other yes voters. Presumably as members of this fine forum you are shooters and countrymen? How do you feel about about an urban-centric socialist government who are hostile to country sports being given free reign to control all aspects of them? Even without independence we've seen the ridiculous ban on docking working dogs, airgun licensing, controls on snaring etc. Any guesses on the future direction of controls on your sport? It is going to be decided by left wing city dwellers who don't understand or care about country people and their lifestyles and livelihoods. No wonder many in the highlands and islands feel as remote from Holyrood as they do to Westminster. It might be a good idea to sell your guns now whilst you still can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 In the unlikely event of a Yes vote... Still. it's got to be better than 'eastenders'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graiglearn Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) A question for Crowdie and the other yes voters. Presumably as members of this fine forum you are shooters and countrymen? How do you feel about about an urban-centric socialist government who are hostile to country sports being given free reign to control all aspects of them? Even without independence we've seen the ridiculous ban on docking working dogs, airgun licensing, controls on snaring etc. Any guesses on the future direction of controls on your sport? It is going to be decided by left wing city dwellers who don't understand or care about country people and their lifestyles and livelihoods. No wonder many in the highlands and islands feel as remote from Holyrood as they do to Westminster. It might be a good idea to sell your guns now whilst you still can. brought all this up 16 pages ago and it seems no one except yourself considers we as fieldsports people consider the relevence ,I never even had a response , so much for the fieldsports team ,or are they all going to apply common sense and vote Salmond into a has been with egotistic views Edited September 17, 2014 by graiglearn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 In the unlikely event of a Yes vote... Still. it's got to be better than 'eastenders'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 In the unlikely event of a Yes vote... Still. it's got to be better than 'eastenders'. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Tell me people im not a betting man but the bookies have NO to win. Are they mostly right as I am really ****ting myself with this vote it will effect my job and I am one of the ones who will move to England if its a yes. I like all the UK not just Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 cant you reply without throwing in an insult or 2? Your Westminster government has forced the hand and the sovereign will of the Scottish people will prevail one way or another. Pay heid to the Edinburgh Agreement; come Friday we all should accept the majority decision whether we like it or not. sovereign will, who will that be then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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