Holocaust Documentary

[shaun4860]

I think people will excuse such a sensible post Kes.

+1

 

It wasn't you I was aiming it at

 

[Thunderbird]

+1

 

It wasn't you I was aiming it at

 

 

I know matey

[stuart21]

Wow, what a harrowing documentary. For me it is impossible to visualise the number of people who were murdered, but, the most sickening part was seeing the volume of teeth, glasses, hair and belongings.

 

I haven't been to visit any of the camps from WW2, but a few years ago, I visited the killing fields museum in Cambodia. This was something that went on in my lifetime and the most disturbing images in my memory were the sheer quantity of personal belongings and pictures of the tortured. It's crazy that influential people have the view of a "supreme race" and the power to indoctrinate others in believing it to.

 

We should never forget these events and they should be taught in the hope that we might learn something.

[daystate 177]

Iv just sat and watched this, and I can't put into words how it has made me feel

[Ricko]

Watched the film, very moving.

Took my kids to Sachsenhausen two years ago so they could see first hand what they would learn about in History.

[ordnance]

 

Ordnance, just accept you're wrong!

I posted that the British had a deliberate policy of targeting German civilians, a historical fact. What part of that is wrong. ?

 

 

You must have missed the wee bit in the war concerning Japan.Please google it then repeat that statement.

.The discussion was about conventional bombing in Europe during WW2, I don't think they had any A bombs.

Edited January 26, 2015 by ordnance

[sako751sg]

I posted that the British had a deliberate policy of targeting German civilians, a historical fact. What part of that is wrong. ?

 

.The discussion was about conventional bombing in Europe during WW2, I don't think they had any A bombs.

 

You have went into clown mode but ill remind you of your words as you seem incapable of reading what you wrote.

"Soldiers win wars boots on the ground not bombers".Considering Japan surrendered 2 day short of 4 months after the Germans then most logical people,ill exclude you,will accept that bombing did indeed win a war.

[AVB]

At what age do you think children should be taught about the horrors of the Holocaust? I haven't seen some of the latest documentaries but the ones I saw years ago were bad enough.

[Mike737]

I have not seen the documentry, nor have I visited any of the concentration camps. I have however visted Oradour-sur-Glane, and it was the most harrowing, humbling, disturbing experience that my wife and I have ever had. It was nearly impossible to talk, almost everyone there was viewing in silence, and that was just a very small atrocity compared to the mass exterminations of the camps; but absolutely horrific nonetheless. (I believe a former SS soldier was prosecuted in relation to this last year). We both agreed afterwards that all German children should be taken there on senior-school trips, so that they never forget the horrors that their forebears inflicted upon innocent people. Some 642 people died, including women and children who were locked inside the church, which was then set on fire. Those attempting to escape were gunned down.

 

Mike.

[ordnance]

 

Soldiers win wars boots on the ground not bombers".Considering Japan surrendered 2 day short of 4 months after the Germans then most logical people,ill exclude you,will accept that bombing did indeed win a war.

Because the war was won before the A bomb was dropped, it was only a matter of time, it did not win the war it shortened it. the America conventional bombing killed more than both A bombs. .Some need to get of their high horse, I never said it was right or wrong just that it happened.

 

It was boots on the ground that won it.

 

As we were talking about conventional over Germany I assumed most would know I was talking about conventional wars without spelling it out for them.

 

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There is simply no comparison to what the Nazis did and to be honest it's quite sad that people try and deflect this.

Being a moderator I am sure you will unlike some others expand on your post, Who compared the two, maybe you could quote the post.

Edited January 26, 2015 by ordnance

[fenboy]

Sweet jesus , give us a break from your ramblings , the whole point of the thead being started has gone right over your head.

[Kes]

At what age do you think children should be taught about the horrors of the Holocaust? I haven't seen some of the latest documentaries but the ones I saw years ago were bad enough.

Thats a hard one as kids develop at different rates - early secondary school I would say but simply a personal opinion. I do agree though that no-one should be excepted from seeing and knowing what happened.

Possibly the story should have 'film style ratings'. teaching starts at 'U' and ends later at XXX rated ? Seems somehow to trivialise the story rather than educate though.

I (and most of us) werent taught it but found out - its not as though you can hide what happened to 6 million souls lost from the jewish nation alone in the camps, although the germans tried. No apologies for the small 'g' in this context.

[sako751sg]

Because the war was won before the A bomb was dropped, it was only a matter of time, it did not win the war it shortened it. the America conventional bombing killed more than both A bombs. .

 

It was boots on the ground that won it.

 

As we were talking about conventional over Germany I assumed most would know I was talking about conventional wars without spelling it out for them.

 

Being a moderator I am sure you will unlike some others expand on your post, Who compared the two, maybe you could quote the post.

 

Ill read your posts in a Father Dougall accent from now on.Seems appropriate.

[keg]

Thats a hard one as kids develop at different rates - early secondary school I would say but simply a personal opinion. I do agree though that no-one should be excepted from seeing and knowing what happened.

Possibly the story should have 'film style ratings'. teaching starts at 'U' and ends later at XXX rated ? Seems somehow to trivialise the story rather than educate though.

I (and most of us) werent taught it but found out - its not as though you can hide what happened to 6 million souls lost from the jewish nation alone in the camps, although the germans tried. No apologies for the small 'g' in this context.

I think you have to make your own call based on your child.

 

What should never happen is that this subject gets sidelined in history. It hasn't so far and don't think it will.

[kdubya]

Sweet jesus , give us a break from your ramblings , the whole point of the thead being started has gone right over your head.

Possibly through it.

 

As for the question of when to teach kids of it had lord baker got his way we would no longer talk or teach of the holocaust as he said it portrayed Germany in a bad light, and I believe he was once responsible for the national curriculum was he not.

 

KW

[Kes]

Possibly through it.

 

As for the question of when to teach kids of it had lord baker got his way we would no longer talk or teach of the holocaust as he said it portrayed Germany in a bad light, and I believe he was once responsible for the national curriculum was he not.

 

KW

Probably, he sounds qualified on the basis of that suggestion - not.

[ordnance]

 

Sweet jesus , give us a break from your ramblings , the whole point of the thead being started has gone right over your head.

Its going over your head, I posted that targeting civilian was a deliberate policy during WW2, Tell what part of that is wrong or say nothing. I know the point of the thread is about and have commented on it. Maybe you should take your own advice and keep it about the Holocaust.

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[fenboy]

Its going over your head, I posted that targeting civilian was a deliberate policy during WW2, Tell what part of that is wrong or say nothing. I know the point of the thread is about and have commented on it. Maybe you should take your own advice and keep it about the Holocaust.

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Yawn .

[islandgun]

Thats a hard one as kids develop at different rates - early secondary school I would say but simply a personal opinion. I do agree though that no-one should be excepted from seeing and knowing what happened.

Possibly the story should have 'film style ratings'. teaching starts at 'U' and ends later at XXX rated ? Seems somehow to trivialise the story rather than educate though.

I (and most of us) werent taught it but found out - its not as though you can hide what happened to 6 million souls lost from the jewish nation alone in the camps, although the germans tried. No apologies for the small 'g' in this context.

I have early teen children and I wouldn't like them to see the full horror, although I know others would disagree, I remember seeing it as a young teen and it haunted me and continues to haunt me to this day, I believe it has altered my life, (for the better ! ) I just asked my kids 14,13, 11, the eldest knew what the holocaust was but had seen no pictures, she had touched on it in RE,

I know they will learn in time but I'm now wondering if its not time to introduce the subject hmm,

[spanj]

I cried when I went to see the war memorials in France, God knows what I'd be like if I visited the concentration camps.

they get me too.........

[ordnance]

 

Yawn .

Grow up.

[Zapp]

Enough squabbling please, lets at least try to show a little dignity as I'm sure none of us would like to see a thread on this topic locked because of silliness.

[digger]

Back on topic - I agree that it should form part of the curriculum but at what age I'm not sure. perhaps some of the images that had a profound effect in me as an adult would be viewed differently by school age children.

The huge amount of violence they are exposed to through the Web, media and games may make a difference?

personally my daughters both said they could see it had a profound effect on me after my visit. The wall KW posted a picture of and one particular photo will stay with me forever

[FalconFN]

I have early teen children and I wouldn't like them to see the full horror, although I know others would disagree, I remember seeing it as a young teen and it haunted me and continues to haunt me to this day, I believe it has altered my life, (for the better ! ) I just asked my kids 14,13, 11, the eldest knew what the holocaust was but had seen no pictures, she had touched on it in RE,

I know they will learn in time but I'm now wondering if its not time to introduce the subject hmm,

 

I agree. Its a difficult balance to strike but I think for kids and teens seeing piles of dead naked bodies is a little too much, I think the piles of hair and glasses, emaciated survivors and film of the persecution of the Jews in the 30s is just as hard hitting without being too explicit. Hearing true stories from survivors is also very powerful and it makes it real, which sometimes black and white pictures can't do as they look like ancient history to kids.

[islandgun]

I agree. Its a difficult balance to strike but I think for kids and teens seeing piles of dead naked bodies is a little too much, I think the piles of hair and glasses, emaciated survivors and film of the persecution of the Jews in the 30s is just as hard hitting without being too explicit. Hearing true stories from survivors is also very powerful and it makes it real, which sometimes black and white pictures can't do as they look like ancient history to kids.

well said