rich1984 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) My brothers hatsan has started not lifting the 2nd shell up, it fires and ejects the 1st shell fine then the next shell comes out of the mag and seems to sit on the carrier,a quick poke and it lifts it up as it should ? Does anyone have any info on a cause of this ? Hes cleaned it all down properly after use with nothing obvious causing this, maybe it could be a worn spring on the carrier ? I thought id ask before he takes it to bits. Thanks Edited January 25, 2015 by rich1984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 you get what you pay for, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Mossy 835 seem like you bit of a snob the lad only asked a question. I have a hatsan also ten other guns one of witch cost me over five thousand pounds.and I like my hatsan so if you have nothing positive to say please don't say anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 you get what you pay for, This is a very true statement but not very helpful. Do you know how old the gun is, how often it is used, is it well cleaned and what type of cartridges is he using? My first point of call would be a good clean and then see ho that is - if no better then look at replacing the springs - however if it is a relatively new gi=un with little use then I would suggest a trip to the gunsmith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1984 Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Like snow white, my brother has more expensive guns aswel and the hatsan is his rough gun, its had 1000's of carts through it and this been the only glitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1984 Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 This is a very true statement but not very helpful. Do you know how old the gun is, how often it is used, is it well cleaned and what type of cartridges is he using? My first point of call would be a good clean and then see ho that is - if no better then look at replacing the springs - however if it is a relatively new gi=un with little use then I would suggest a trip to the gunsmith. I dont know for sure its age he's had it 2 years and it was well used when he got it, its used with 70mm 28g -32g carts and is always cleaned. ill have a ring round tomorrow for him and see about getting a set of springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Sounds very much like your cartridges are too short. Hatsans don't feed well with anything under 70mm, for example, while a 67mm Eley First will work a 65mm Hull Comp-X will jam the second shell. If you measure an actual cartridge they need to be at least 55mm, Eley Firsts are 55mm while Hull Comp-X are only 52mm (crimped size) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Sounds very much like your cartridges are too short. Hatsans don't feed well with anything under 70mm, for example, while a 67mm Eley First will work a 65mm Hull Comp-X will jam the second shell. If you measure an actual cartridge they need to be at least 55mm, Eley Firsts are 55mm while Hull Comp-X are only 52mm (crimped size) A Good Solid Answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1984 Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Sounds very much like your cartridges are too short. Hatsans don't feed well with anything under 70mm, for example, while a 67mm Eley First will work a 65mm Hull Comp-X will jam the second shell. If you measure an actual cartridge they need to be at least 55mm, Eley Firsts are 55mm while Hull Comp-X are only 52mm (crimped size) He uses hull superfasts for clays 27g and clear pigeon 32g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Nice to see the Hatsan Haters out early tonight, I love mine along with all the other guns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Sounds very much like your cartridges are too short. Hatsans don't feed well with anything under 70mm, for example, while a 67mm Eley First will work a 65mm Hull Comp-X will jam the second shell. If you measure an actual cartridge they need to be at least 55mm, Eley Firsts are 55mm while Hull Comp-X are only 52mm (crimped size) The length of the cartridge is taken after it has been fired not before it has been fired. I dont know for sure its age he's had it 2 years and it was well used when he got it, its used with 70mm 28g -32g carts and is always cleaned. ill have a ring round tomorrow for him and see about getting a set of springs. Drop me a PM and I will get the age of the gun for you, all I require is the serial number Edited January 25, 2015 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1984 Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Drop me a PM and I will get the age of the gun for you, all I require is the serial number Very kind of you, ill pm you ASAP. Thanks Bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throttlemonkey Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Had similar problem with my ps I removed trigger .assembly and cleaned thoroughly.all to do with cartridge lifter working smoothly and with with little effort. I also spent some time hand finishing hammer curve which strikes the firing pin with a needle file( looks laser cut)and hammer sprung follower, I radiused the flat end to give much smoother action. After lubing well with wd40 I put 150 carts through without issue, so reloading 100 from magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throttlemonkey Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Half where hull comp x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1984 Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Had similar problem with my ps I removed trigger .assembly and cleaned thoroughly.all to do with cartridge lifter working smoothly and with with little effort. I also spent some time hand finishing hammer curve which strikes the firing pin with a needle file( looks laser cut)and hammer sprung follower, I radiused the flat end to give much smoother action. After lubing well with wd40 I put 150 carts through without issue, so reloading 100 from magazine. Ill tell him to strip out the trigger assembly and give it a good clean a before ordering anything. Makes sence, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansk65 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Nice to see the Hatsan Haters out early tonight, I love mine along with all the other guns! Plus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark a Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 hi matey i also have a escort and mine also jams on the second cart. Ive cleaned it polished it been nice to it and it still lets me down. I use clear pigeon 32g #6 70mm carts. Cant wait to be rid of it i'm saving my pennies to get a different auto,would never have another. good luck mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 it's the marmite debate all over again love mine, never jammed, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) it's the marmite debate all over again love mine, never jammed, Yes it is, and i still think they are cack . While you can get a bad one in any gun the first reply hit the nail on the head , you get what you pay for in most cases and I am no gun snob I have had my fair share of cheep ones , but I do like a gun that works as it should which on 9 out of 10 of the hatsans i have seen is not the case. As for the problem , check the shell carrier is not bent. Edited January 26, 2015 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pull2007 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 same here did it twice yesterday also ejected the third one live after second shot had it stripped down trigger out new ring before I shot it usinn 30g clear pigeon fibre the black ones 70 mm has it anything to do with the brass length I noticed they have a very short head any views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) I have had two never had trouble with them brought a browning maxus brand spanking new all ways jaming never had a day out with no problems glad to be shut of it.and for a lot of people on hear that run hatsans down bet they have never owned on. Edited January 26, 2015 by snow white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I have had two never had trouble with them brought a browning maxus brand spanking new all ways jaming never had a day out with no problems glad to be shut of it.and for a lot of people on hear that run hatsans down bet they have never owned on. I had one, bought second hand and well used and abused .... Replaced broken action bar. .... Really regret selling that gun never let me down. Never had to worry about rain and mud. Hose it down clean and lubricate action and away we go again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDaveO84 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 same here did it twice yesterday also ejected the third one live after second shot had it stripped down trigger out new ring before I shot it usinn 30g clear pigeon fibre the black ones 70 mm has it anything to do with the brass length I noticed they have a very short head any views I don't think they like the short brass as I've noticed whenever I use shells with short brass I get a jam every say 5 shots, switched to using ones with higher brass (RC2's) and put 150 through it on the clays yesterday and it never jammed once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkashot Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Not had a problem with mine using 30g 6s ,70mm with bigger brass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hatsan are VERY well known for this problem, and whilst there are times it relates to maintenance or mechanical breakdown, it is commonly the cartridge length/power! I often see posts extolling the virtues of the Hatsan brand, with posters suggesting they wish they never sold theirs as it was brilliant...the obvious question is...well why did you sell it then? ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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