hedge hunter Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Right guys i have another silly question for you all. I've decided im deffo going for a lab pup, and iv found what i think would be a perfect litter for my needs. Now heres the question, and as silly as it seem's id really appritiate your honesty and input. Colour wise, i've got the option of black or yellow pups. Is there a more favoured colour of dog for down on the foreshore/marsh. I know the dog should be steady and well concelled within the hide or gutter etc. But does 1 colour stand out far more than the other ? Cheers once again good people of pigeon watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadorna Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Black stands out like a sore thumb in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 It matters not what colour the dog is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Some people like black as you can't see them in the dark. Some people say black dogs look like the shadow of preditors on the marsh. Some say light coloured ones stand out in the night. Some say light ones blend into the marsh in the day. many opinions, pick one you like. You can alway roll them in the mud when you get to the foreshore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge hunter Posted May 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Best answer yet Richie10 !!! Best answer yet Richie10 !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Yellow work best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I have had all three , black, yellow and fox red. The latter colour is the least noticable on the marsh day or night. Given the choice I would go for a yellow just for looks , my first lab was yellow and always had a soft spot for them. In terms of working ability there is no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Some parts of the foreshore are sandy and logically some of the 'fowlers i know prefer yellow dawgs. At the end of day I suppose it's about personal preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 If your dog stays still colour matters not a jot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge hunter Posted May 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Thanks guys. Yeh im aware colour has no influence on working ability. It was more a matter of which colour blends in the most. I be honest i'd really love a fox red. But have you seen the price on these compared to black/ yellow pups ...... i'll pass thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Thanks guys. Yeh im aware colour has no influence on working ability. It was more a matter of which colour blends in the most. I be honest i'd really love a fox red. But have you seen the price on these compared to black/ yellow pups ...... i'll pass thanks. I didn't realise there was a price difference for fox red compared to black or yellow. I am buying a pup from a litter that was expecting fox red pups. The price would have been the same for all the pups - £700. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) I didn't realise there was a price difference for fox red compared to black or yellow. I am buying a pup from a litter that was expecting fox red pups. The price would have been the same for all the pups - £700. You would have been lucky then motty as plenty who are breeding fox red are asking silly money , if your paying £700 for a black dog then I hope its got a fantastic pedigree and comes with all the health checks etc otherwise it could be argued you are paying too much. Edited May 6, 2015 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I have black and light yellow take both together onto the foreshore, I have no problems, when I'm stood out in the tide I'm sure I show up a lot more than any colour dog. Just keep still until it's in range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge hunter Posted May 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Ohh yes motty, there usually is a difference. They appear to be the new in-thing. Fenboy, can i ask what eo8ld you say was a good honest price for a lab litter, not the FTCH sired litter just a good honest worker to worker ? I know pups are worth what peopke are willing to pay for them. But your own opinoin, cheers hh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 My own opinion is you should be able to pick up a lab pup from a proven working line for around £450 - £500 , less if you take one that's not health checked and KC registered etc Though personally I would want a dog from parents that have good hip and eye scores , I paid £495 for my current dog , I did enquire about a fox red litter and they wanted £800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 There is two beauty's for sale on here with pedigree etc for £500 from a trainer all scored they are a bargain !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 If this is ur 1st dog and if u have any interest on working it on a beating line, there is an awful lot to be said for having an ABL (annonomus black lab, may be different colours elsewhere) as most of the labs locally are black u can always deny it's ur dog causing carnage at the flushing point. On my local big shoot can have 10-15 black lbs in the line alone then a load in the pickers up to, which have been known to run into the flushing point on occasion I'd be careful buying a fox red lab nowadays, because they are so fashionable and worth more a lot of dogs are being bred from that would not be bred from if they were black/yellow. basically a lot of poor fox reds dogs being bred from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge hunter Posted May 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 If this is ur 1st dog and if u have any interest on working it on a beating line, there is an awful lot to be said for having an ABL (annonomus black lab, may be different colours elsewhere) as most of the labs locally are black u can always deny it's ur dog causing carnage at the flushing point. On my local big shoot can have 10-15 black lbs in the line alone then a load in the pickers up to, which have been known to run into the flushing point on occasion I'd be careful buying a fox red lab nowadays, because they are so fashionable and worth more a lot of dogs are being bred from that would not be bred from if they were black/yellow. basically a lot of poor fox reds dogs being bred from. No not my first dog, been beating shootung for a good few years. Just as my dhooting is moving more and more to fowling and just general moching about a lab seem more appropriate for my needs. Yes a few unidentified black labs always end up at yhe flushing point ( usually the bloody keepers) but dont tell him that lol. Yes the reds are nice, but as you stated just being bred for the cash value now unfortunatly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reabrook Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I'd be careful buying a fox red lab nowadays, because they are so fashionable and worth more a lot of dogs are being bred from that would not be bred from if they were black/yellow. basically a lot of poor fox reds dogs being bred from. Ain't that the truth!! John train it to sit still and its colour doesn't matter. Take your time and choose well you should be ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 A fox red is almost invisible on the marsh , my father has one and when he's sat with the dog on the marsh you wouldn't pick them out. I've always had black labs and know I've had duck wing off due to them standing out in good light but as you start loosing light it doesn't really matter what colour the dog is , the most important part of a dog to blend in is steadiness and the ability to sit still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 You would have been lucky then motty as plenty who are breeding fox red are asking silly money , if your paying £700 for a black dog then I hope its got a fantastic pedigree and comes with all the health checks etc otherwise it could be argued you are paying too much. Yes, the pedigree is first class, with a few well known dogs in the lines. The puppies are hereditary clear of PRA and CNM. I don't think i'm paying over the odds and I think that shows, with the whole litter being sold very quickly (all 9 for sale and one kept by the breeders). I just hope I can do the puppy justice and train it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler23 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Iv got fox red dog, when he lies down on marsh or grass, he disappears.... But if he isn't still, wouldn't matter much what colour he was I suppose.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Shhhhhhhhhhh!!! Don't tell everyone. There is two beauty's for sale on here with pedigree etc for £500 from a trainer all scored they are a bargain !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 A GOOD DOG JUST DONT COME IN A WRONG COLOUR Mine is dark yellow, most are black and like said a lot of Rubbish is bred from just because it can be called "fox red" which some actually are not just a good darker yellow. I am looking for the next for succession and I wont turn away any based on colour but will prefer another yellow. On the marsh it matters little movement and keeping low is far more important to alerting quarry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Shhhhhhhhhhh!!! Don't tell everyone. Purdys the word, are you having one Paul ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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