Old farrier Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 They will just tell him he is out ALL DAY. Anybody gets in your way ask for their number and name as well, They don`t like it. Goes against that COSY job they all hope to get later on, they do not like smears on THEIR RECORD... Sorry to hear your experience with your police force is so bad It would appear that different areas respond to different approaches And as stated its what I would do as I personally don't think going in with a heavy handed attitude is the correct initial approach All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Anti are bad enough but an anti in a uniform would be a nightmare. I would certainly get my shells back and ask to speak to someone in relation to the attitude of the officer but i would seek advice off BASC first I've been on the receiving end of harassment from an anti in uniform. If you complain high enough they will do something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Report him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I would certainly make a complaint, else you don't know what your file says about you otherwise. I'd involve the FLO and request a meeting and explain this to him/her as well. Need to ensure that this guy doens't try to smear you now which may go against you when renewing. Dirty Harry and Ozzy are right about the form too, I've seen one before. Should definitely go and ask, they'll surely be able to trace it back to the officer who was out that time/place and who came in with a box of carts? Certainly don't just forget about it, pursue it properly and calmly/respectfully, sounds like the policeman just doesn't like you/shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Just complain.It sounds like quite a few rules have been breached here. You need to ask under what power were you searched. Section 1 pace? Firearms act? Deer act? Misuse of drugs act?If the cop had grounds and it sounds like he didn't, he needs to follow the gowisely mnuemonic (we love these in the police) it's probably easily found on google. Even if the cop had grounds if he did't follow gowisely the search is unlawful. Section 19 of pace covers seizure of property, again rules are clear regarding when and how it happens.Don't bother writing to a chief constable, his/her assistant will read it and pass it to the inspector that leads the team this cop is on, you may as well just speak to this inspector.Local resolution or something similar will be a slap on the wrist, if this cop is pally pally with the guv it could mean nothing. If you really feel this guy has it in for you then refuse this an ask for the complaint to be escalated to psd. I had a complaint from a black guy because I pulled him over due to brake lights not working, I didn't know what colour he was until he got out the car.It went nowhere as expected but psd were involved and they don't **** about, they have no compunction in seeing officers booted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Just complain. It sounds like quite a few rules have been breached here. You need to ask under what power were you searched. Section 1 pace? Firearms act? Deer act? Misuse of drugs act? If the cop had grounds and it sounds like he didn't, he needs to follow the gowisely mnuemonic (we love these in the police) it's probably easily found on google. Even if the cop had grounds if he did't follow gowisely the search is unlawful. Section 19 of pace covers seizure of property, again rules are clear regarding when and how it happens. Don't bother writing to a chief constable, his/her assistant will read it and pass it to the inspector that leads the team this cop is on, you may as well just speak to this inspector. Local resolution or something similar will be a slap on the wrist, if this cop is pally pally with the guv it could mean nothing. If you really feel this guy has it in for you then refuse this an ask for the complaint to be escalated to psd. I had a complaint from a black guy because I pulled him over due to brake lights not working, I didn't know what colour he was until he got out the car. It went nowhere as expected but psd were involved and they don't **** about, they have no compunction in seeing officers booted out. Good advice there, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Get the FEO involved. Otherwise this idiot could create problems for the FEO by antagonising other gun owners and their relationship with the police. I keep a copy of my SGC on my iPhone just in case this type of situation occurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 . I keep a copy of my SGC on my iPhone just in case this type of situation occurs. thats agood one. I have always carried paper copies of sgc and part 1 in my top pocket. We used to get pulled nearly every night at one time and it was polite and just a check. No probs with that but one time I was leaving the shoot in the early evening and I was pulled up in the drive off of the shoot and this officer was really in my face and agressive. We had a chat and I put him straight about things and he went away with a different point of view. Later times he was made into an feo and he was useless in that also. so much so that he had his ear bent several times by firearms manager and everyone was glad when he was seen off. Police have a difficult thankless job and some dont help their cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew f Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Surely he could check your a licence holder on his radio with the control room in seconds. Also as a police officer he should carry out his duties without prejudice what ever his personal views are. Maybe your firearms officer can put him straight. I would pick up your carts and get his name and number just in case you get another tug by him. I carry a copy of my licence in my bag when out shooting mainly in case I get a tug. Yes they can check it out on the radio have had it done this copper is a tool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 im not an awkward bloke whos out to complain or one who makes a habbit of complaining but in this case i would... not only is he totally in the wrong, his actions could if they get worse or if hes made notes at the station have an impact your your holding a license or getting a renewal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) It sounds like: The officer isnt clued up on this area and may require training. The officer is acting upon his prejudices. I would collect your cartridges and raise a complaint pointing out there may be a training oppertunity here for this officer and maybe even go on to say that if the same officer takes the same actions again you will again complain but add harrasment and intimidation to the complaint. Once = Fair enough, Twice = Chance maybe......Third time = Beyond doubt. The officer wont give two hoots about what you say roadside. His only concern will be when someone higher up than him has a flea in there ear and they are looking to pass on there annoyance. Follow the correct proceedures and document everything. Also dont hold your breath with much of an outcome because they close ranks very quickly and look after themselfs ( This is from serval admissions to me by people I know who work as: police officers (some armed), Custody Staff, PCSO`s and civilian police staff. But even so dont roll over and not act for an easy life, you will only be making a rod for your own back in the long run. As others have said if you are with BASC then speak to them for advice and guidence, If your not with them then I suggest you join now. We have a very good BASC member on here too: BASC David ! Also it may be worth getting a video camera in your vehicle so if you get pulled again ask that the officer speak you you in view of your camera so that you can record the encounter. ATB Matt https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/complaints Edited May 27, 2015 by salop sniper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Well there's at least two police officers who have confirmed that the officer in question was wrong. It's now up to you to decide if you're going to let him continue to make your and possibly other law abiding shooters lives awkward. You don't have to get nasty. Just get them to confirm that you were right and he was wrong. Edited May 27, 2015 by Suffolkngood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Well there's at least two police officers who have confirmed that the officer in question was wrong. It's now up to you to decide if you're going to let him continue to make you and possibly other law abiding shooters lives awkward. You don't have to get nasty. Just get them to confirm that you were right and he was wrong. And also address the way forward / resolution. ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 The cop evidently does not know the law, if it happens again time to complain to the professional standards...if you are a member we can give you help and advice David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Personally I would go to the station "without " your sgc and demand your cartridges back. You may want to let it lie for an easy time, that's your choice to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I'd also be sure to keep your lights in order to help avoid these situations. Another member off here was stopped the other night and the first question was "do you have any firearms on board?" Someone did some checking before the tug..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 tell him your going to have a word with his chief constable later that evening , as your both in the same lodge ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I will pop down there on Saturday grab my carts and sort this mess out. Thanks for your time guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Well there's at least two police officers who have confirmed that the officer in question was wrong. Assuming we have had the full story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I will pop down there on Saturday grab my carts and sort this mess out. Thanks for your time guys Let us know the outcome, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I will pop down there on Saturday grab my carts and sort this mess out. Thanks for your time guys You might want to think about getting to the station 9-5 Monday to Friday. The property office is usually open office hours and and it might save you a wasted journey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 You might want to think about getting to the station 9-5 Monday to Friday. The property office is usually open office hours and and it might save you a wasted journey.If that's the case they can have the carts, can't take time out of work to pick up something so worthless. However I will be going down to have a chat and see what can be done. I doubt very little will happen as its my word against his and two separate incidence nearly a year apart won't stand for harassment.will let you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 If that's the case they can have the carts, can't take time out of work to pick up something so worthless. However I will be going down to have a chat and see what can be done. I doubt very little will happen as its my word against his and two separate incidence nearly a year apart won't stand for harassment. will let you know It isn't your word against his if he handed in your cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Hi Having read the posts/replies seems to be good reason to now, as it is a second occurance with this officer, put it on the/his record and make a formal complaint and let that progress to the options at the outcome. I had cause to make a complaint about a PCSO, for not carrying out his duties/responsibilities when requested, and was satisfied with the outcome. An Inspector took the matter up, kept me informed/involved - the alternative is to expect another incident, if not you for someone else, and a police officer who needs to be retrained/educated........ L . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Isn't taking something that is legally yours theft? I would also want to know why he wanted to know about my cars contents-did he have reason to believe you were committing an offence? If so what offence? Can he state the law in question? Don't let him get away with it-make them bring the shells back or send a courier and let them pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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