keg Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Again this notion that marijuana users are out there breaking into houses and mugging old ladies. They`re not. There might be the very odd case but in general those that commit crimes to feed their habits are on Class A drugs. Agreed, if you read my post, i didn't specify which type of drug. My point was that those that steal to feed their habit now will not stop just because it's legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Danger-Mouse - I don't need to make myself look clever, as I am clearly a lot brighter than you. You made a rather stupid post - pointing that out isn't sniping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 correct me if I,m wrong please,, as I understood, getting our shooting certs we agreed to be HONEST and LAW ABIDING so in otherwords law abiding trustworthy people, so after reading some posts on this thread it is clear to me and others that some on here have NOT been totally honest with their firearms dept and FEO,s so those who take drugs and by that I mean illegal drugs are NOT law abiding, so in my eyes there licence should be revoked,, the other thing that has amazed me is how everyone who smokes ILLEGAL cannabis uses a medical condition as an excuse to use it,,but what about the people with the same conditions who LAWFULLY just get on with their lives ? cannabis does not lead to being a heroin user, but as stated it can be a ladder to experimenting with drugs, I assume the same should happen to anyone caught speeding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 as I understood, getting our shooting certs we agreed to be HONEST and LAW ABIDING so in otherwords law abiding trustworthy people Did we? I can't recall signing anything to that effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 correct me if I,m wrong please,, as I understood, getting our shooting certs we agreed to be HONEST and LAW ABIDING so in otherwords law abiding trustworthy people, so after reading some posts on this thread it is clear to me and others that some on here have NOT been totally honest with their firearms dept and FEO,s so those who take drugs and by that I mean illegal drugs are NOT law abiding, so in my eyes there licence should be revoked,, the other thing that has amazed me is how everyone who smokes ILLEGAL cannabis uses a medical condition as an excuse to use it,,but what about the people with the same conditions who LAWFULLY just get on with their lives ? cannabis does not lead to being a heroin user, but as stated it can be a ladder to experimenting with drugs, So by the same standing anybody who exceeds the speed limit, or drinks in a pub after hours, or as a few posters did after voting and disclosed how others voted should all have cert's revoked, all of those are illegal. That is plainly nonsense and this sort of rhetoric is what further marginalises shooters rights too. The holding of a firearm should be a risk based decision around suitability, smoking a joint makes nobody anymore of a risk than having a nip of whisky. Again taking an overly simplistic and blunt approach benefits nobody. Some drugs are very bad, both legal and illegal, some drug users are bad, some non drug users are bad, but we cannot and should not try to label everyone indiscriminately. As for the medical use of cannabis I think it is wholly immoral to deny medical research and usage when it could improve so many lives. Why should people be forced to suffer unnecessarily because of small minded prejudice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Agreed, if you read my post, i didn't specify which type of drug. My point was that those that steal to feed their habit now will not stop just because it's legal. Agreed. However my post that you replied to was specifically about the legalisation of marijuana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 So please forgive my ignorance here as I have had very little dealing with illegal drugs, or anyone connected, my own choice. All these stories about smoking weed,dope cannabis call it what you like, creating paranoia with the users is this fact or just a bit of a story. I see it nearly every day of "Jeremy Kyle" no its not true ! and you and all the rest can stop picking on me, Iv'e seen you, you know, just leave me an my precious alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 A classic PW thread here.... IM RIGHT IM RIGHT IM RIGHT, FINGERS IN EARS, CANT HEAR YOU BECAUSE IM SO RIGHT! Pathetic, some of you have your heads so far in the sand I'm amazed you can still breath According to half the close minded drones here one look at a spliff and it's the express train to crackhead prostitution and living by the bins. Couldn't agree more I think it's actually indicative of why the shooting community is constantly losing rights it seems to be full of 'I'm alright jack' type people who will happily ban ANYTHING provided it doesn't interfere with things they enjoy even shooting provided it isn't their type of shooting. Such people don't deserve any freedoms because they don't support the freedoms of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Just a thought . How many of you pot smokers and users of other drugs will declare it on your next firearms and shotgun application ? Just wondering . I hope the cops on here are taking note . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Just a thought . How many of you pot smokers and users of other drugs will declare it on your next firearms and shotgun application ? Just wondering . I hope the cops on here are taking note . Harnser Is there a section on any SGC/FAC application asking an applicant to declare all the illegal activities they participate in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Just a thought . How many of you pot smokers and users of other drugs will declare it on your next firearms and shotgun application ? Just wondering . I hope the cops on here are taking note . Harnser I don't think I have seen anyone saying they use it? You might be mistaking the people who can see through the Daily Mail style paranoia inducing articles with those who believe one drag on a spliff means you are the next hardened NHS abusing criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 no its not true ! and you and all the rest can stop picking on me, Iv'e seen you, you know, just leave me an my precious alone 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 We're behind you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Harnser - totally agree. I wonder how many would be comfortable running their pro-drugs views past their FEO at application / renewal time. I suspect the answer is zero. I wonder why? Perhaps they think the FEO might take the view that taking illegal drugs is in fact illegal. Not rocket science. My view is that instead of boasting on here and berating anyone who is anti-drugs, they man up and make their view known when there is something at stake, rather than being keyboard warriors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) The numbers may be a tad sensational as was my intent, the message behind them is 100% right so keep your head on and keep believing that denial will make what is idiotic, self harming,ah hem and illegal OK by you, perhaps its you who wants to look deeper, or is your handle simply a reflection? KW Ah personal insult, always a sure fire way to win an intelligent debate. Saying every person who used any substance the same is ridiculous. As noted by Scully I believe, its rather similar to stating all ukip supporters are racists. I have no doubt they attract some racist individuals, I'm open minded enough to see that not every person who supports them does so for the same reason and belief. Saying any person who uses any type of drug is a smack head etc is narrow minded and ridiculous. A lot of drug abuse and misuse is through prescriptions etc etc Edited May 30, 2015 by Bigthug87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Just a thought . How many of you pot smokers and users of other drugs will declare it on your next firearms and shotgun application ? Just wondering . I hope the cops on here are taking note . Harnser I haven't said I'm a user in anyway for the record. I rarely even smoke or drink.I do object tho to the narrow minded view of many on here. As shotgun and firearm users people on here certainly shouldn't be upto such things, even if they diaagree, but because of the current law. Does that however mean they can not hold a view that is different of the law? Many on here currently disagree with the Hunting Act, yet that is Law as it currently stands. Edited May 30, 2015 by Bigthug87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Is there a section on any SGC/FAC application asking an applicant to declare all the illegal activities they participate in? I am sure that the police would be very interested in any illegal activity that an applicant had been involved in as well as any convictions . Would an honest person admit to taking illegal drugs on application of a firearms or shotgun licence? Harnser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I am sure that the police would be very interested in any illegal activity that an applicant had been involved in as well as any convictions . Would an honest person admit to taking illegal drugs on application of a firearms or shotgun licence? Harnser. But does someone believing that certain laws are wrong and speaking out against them (whilst still abiding by the laws) make them unfit to hold a SGC / FAC ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I am sure that the police would be very interested in any illegal activity that an applicant had been involved in as well as any convictions . Would an honest person admit to taking illegal drugs on application of a firearms or shotgun licence? Harnser. I'm also sure the Police would be very interested in any illegal activity an applicant had been involved in as well as convictions, but that isn't what I asked, so I'll ask again: Is there any section of any SGC/FAC application form which requires the applicant to declare all illegal activity they participate in? I would have no more compunction to admit to taking illegal drugs on any application form any more than I would admit to any other illegal activity you care to mention I may have been involved in at any time and there is no legislation which requires me to do so. Nor would I be any more likely to admit to going out every weekend and getting totally ( but quite legally ) blathered. All of us fill in application forms to the extent in which we are required to do so; if we satisfy criteria as laid down in that process then that is all we are required to do by law. It is then up to the Chief officer of police to decide whether we are responsible people, and not the holier than thou PW bureaucrats. As an aside I find it puzzling that while drug addiction can have legal repercussions, the same doesn't apply to alcoholism; they're both drug addiction after all. The former has to break the law to get his fix, whereas the latters fix is easily obtainable from the local Spar. It's a funny old world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I am sure that the police would be very interested in any illegal activity that an applicant had been involved in as well as any convictions . Would an honest person admit to taking illegal drugs on application of a firearms or shotgun licence? Harnser. my point exactly Harnser,, they are all big and mouthy behind the keyboards, but just how many of them would clearly state to their FEO that they participate in smoking ILLEGAL substances , yes you guessed right,,not one single person,, they are all full of bull, "I do this and I do that" but if it came to the crunch they would LIE to the FEO, being involved in an ILLEGAL activity is not exactly being a pillar of the community is it,, 100% behind revoking anyone who is involved with illegal drugs and there use from holding certificates, I would support it all day long oh and I don't really care what people on here think, it how I feel and if you don't like how I feel about drugs then TUFF But does someone believing that certain laws are wrong and speaking out against them (whilst still abiding by the laws) make them unfit to hold a SGC / FAC ? how is smoking an illegal drug abiding by the law laws are laws for a reason get a grip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) I'm also sure the Police would be very interested in any illegal activity an applicant had been involved in as well as convictions, but that isn't what I asked, so I'll ask again: Is there any section of any SGC/FAC application form which requires the applicant to declare all illegal activity they participate in? I would have no more compunction to admit to taking illegal drugs on any application form any more than I would admit to any other illegal activity you care to mention I may have been involved in at any time and there is no legislation which requires me to do so. Nor would I be any more likely to admit to going out every weekend and getting totally ( but quite legally ) blathered. All of us fill in application forms to the extent in which we are required to do so; if we satisfy criteria as laid down in that process then that is all we are required to do by law. It is then up to the Chief officer of police to decide whether we are responsible people, and not the holier than thou PW bureaucrats. As an aside I find it puzzling that while drug addiction can have legal repercussions, the same doesn't apply to alcoholism; they're both drug addiction after all. The former has to break the law to get his fix, whereas the latters fix is easily obtainable from the local Spar. It's a funny old world. scully,,drinking alcohol is perfectly legal,,,smoking pot is not, that's the difference weather you like it or not, drinking alcohol is legal,,,driving a car over the speed limit is not, I cant for the life of me understand why people keep throwing legal drinking in the mix, it is perfectly LEGAL to drink alcohol , taking drugs is TOTALLY ILLEGAL if any fac/sgc holder participates in illegal activities then sorry but IMO they should lose their licences ,,full stop, if they where caught using drugs then they would certainly lose them Edited May 30, 2015 by evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 scully,,drinking alcohol is perfectly legal,,,smoking pot is not, that's the difference weather you like it or not, drinking alcohol is legal,,,driving a car over the speed limit is not, I cant for the life of me understand why people keep throwing legal drinking in the mix, it is perfectly LEGAL to drink alcohol , taking drugs is TOTALLY ILLEGAL if any fac/sgc holder participates in illegal activities then sorry but IMO they should loose their licences ,,full stop, if they where caught using drugs then they would certainly lose them They throw alcohol in in a poor attempt to justify the use of mind changing and downright dangerously addictive drugs, they are illegal for a reason IE they destroy lives. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 my point exactly Harnser,, they are all big and mouthy behind the keyboards, but just how many of them would clearly state to their FEO that they participate in smoking ILLEGAL substances , yes you guessed right,,not one single person,, they are all full of bull, "I do this and I do that" but if it came to the crunch they would LIE to the FEO, being involved in an ILLEGAL activity is not exactly being a pillar of the community is it,, 100% behind revoking anyone who is involved with illegal drugs and there use from holding certificates, I would support it all day long oh and I don't really care what people on here think, it how I feel and if you don't like how I feel about drugs then TUFF how is smoking an illegal drug abiding by the law laws are laws for a reason get a grip Get a grip ? Did you even read what I wrote? I made no mention of smoking anything! You don't have to use a substance to believe or know things about it. There's no point even discussing this as you are clearly so closed minded you read what peor have written and somehow see something totally different! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Get a grip ? Did you even read what I wrote? I made no mention of smoking anything! You don't have to use a substance to believe or know things about it. There's no point even discussing this as you are clearly so closed minded you read what peor have written and somehow see something totally different! I watched a young man, a lovely lad when clean destroy his life and his parents lives (good good people who tried everything to get him off drugs) I saw him steal off family friends anyone, in order to feed his habit, and I had the pleasure of taking his heart broken mother and brother to hospital only for them to find out he was dead when we got there, but like you say I know nowt about drugs! yet you who have apparently never touched so much as a spliff know all about them eh! KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Lol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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