krugerandsmith Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 One leading newspaper asking for mental and health checks to be carried out on Gun and Shotgun owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) But isn't that being done already,with the med form? Plus you give them concent to contact your GP anyhow on the initial application.The only people to fear this are those that are hiding a mental condition. Edited September 15, 2015 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 A report has just been published by I believe one of the policing watchdogs that has called firearms licencing 'dangerously lax' and saying that police forces currently are allowed 'too much discretion'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenduri Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 It was on the beeb this morning with the sensationalist tag line that the policing watchdog warned lincensing needs to change to stop people with mental issues from acquiring licenses and that it needs doing before there is another massacre, using the example of Derrick Bird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi786 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 LOL THIS new is every news, while coming down work 1 hour 10 mint drive heard this news going on and on atleast 10 times... i thnk it is more about making a chance in law so that GP's has to confirm if the applicant has any mental/health issues. As currently it is entirely upto GP either to reply/ignore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Sky news this morning about how we can expect another gun massacre due to the mismanagement of the firearms licensing department inspectorate and how the laws need tightening...... At least they gave the views from a gun instructor, They dragged up Dunblane again also the Derek Bird incident. Oh and they also blamed cuts to police budgets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 It's not just mental issues though,Its the licencing authorities that's the heart of the problem.I know of 1 lad who had his guns SG removed because he was out in the street one night drunk (with SG) threatening too kill himself.Gun was removed for 12mths,then given back.he has just been granted FAC 22LR,17HMR,222 & 243.he asked me if I could give him advise on what to ask for before he applied(the guy has never even used a Rimfire).I avoided him as thought he had no chance ( in my opinion should never of got his SG back). Was shocked when another mate rang to say he'd been granted,I didn't believe him and said stop winding me up.He then told me shockingly that he'd seen the cert. More worryingly this is DURHAM we are talking about,the very force that said they would be the toughest force in the UK & where the force that introduced the MED FORM,rather disturbing I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Read a small caption in the Metro this morning about this. Sky news this morning about how we can expect another gun massacre due to the mismanagement of the firearms licensing department inspectorate and how the laws need tightening......At least they gave the views from a gun instructor,They dragged up Dunblane again also the Derek Bird incident.Oh and they also blamed cuts to police budgets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Just caught a piece on Sky News with a chap (who's name I missed) was saying that yet again it will just make gun ownership more difficult for the law abiding ordinary man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 On one hand i think its good that they want to bring certain things in, but at the same time it wont make any difference to whether or not someone wants to go on a rampage... You dont have to have a licence to get hold of a gun these days, there are people and places to go to if you are hell bent on doing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 It's on the BBC too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 It's on the BBC too. Of course it is, spearheaded by Packham's fan club most likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Don't worry, it's a slow news day. The Labour election results are done and dusted so there's a partial vacuum to fill until something else of significance crops up then it'll all be forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 It's not like we have to give the police permission to assess our suitability to have firearms by asking our MD's to give them access to our medical files, is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Stephen Otter HM Inspector of Constabulary stating that the HOME OFFICE GUIDELINES are NOT strict enough and give the Police too much leeway when considering any application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 And so it begins. Welcome to the world of Corbyn - it gives you a nice warm feeling inside, doesn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 You simply cant regulate nutty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Page 9 of the report, Executive Summary - "Conclusions Notwithstanding our concerns and criticism of those who are responsible for establishing, maintaining and following the current licensing arrangements, it is only right that we state clearly and unequivocally that the vast majority of decisions concerning the grant, renewal, refusal and revocation of firearm licences are correct." This is a managerial report on the efficience of the police NOT the safety of the UK gun owners. Worth a read http://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/wp-content/uploads/firearms-licensing-targeting-the-risk.pdf Where the wheels come of totally is the leap from administrational efficiency of the Police to the final emotional paragraph of the report which leaps into fear mongering about mass shootings "Despite enhancements in technology, the licensing system still relies on a paperbased application process. Digitisation of the system would reduce bureaucracy, increase transparency, allow applicants to track progress, reduce the variability in the way forces manage the application process and make it much more efficient and effective. We cannot make our position any clearer: it is now for others to accept the need for change. If they do, perhaps the life of the next victim of firearms misuse might be saved. What is highly likely is that, if change is not effected, there will be another tragedy." The basic premise seems to be that the Police licencing system will prevent futures crimes by inspecting confidential medical records. If I have it correctly mass shootings are often fired by personality disorder not mental health issues caused by disease processes like depression. Domestic violence is powered by narcissism which is not something that an average GP would diagnose or record in their notes. Looks like a dogs breakfast to me Edited September 15, 2015 by harpoonlouis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I may be wrong but is this not about the Police & Firearms inspectors (admin) in various areas not carrying out there job correctly and is not actually aimed at certificate & licence holders who already have to answer some medical questions on there applications & renewals Is it just the press & media twisting the story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Page 9 of the report, Executive Summary - "Conclusions Notwithstanding our concerns and criticism of those who are responsible for establishing, maintaining and following the current licensing arrangements, it is only right that we state clearly and unequivocally that the vast majority of decisions concerning the grant, renewal, refusal and revocation of firearm licences are correct." This is a managerial report on the efficience of the police NOT the safety of the UK gun owners. Worth a read http://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/wp-content/uploads/firearms-licensing-targeting-the-risk.pdf Where the wheels come of totally is the leap from administrational efficiency of the Police to the final emotional paragraph of the report which leaps into fear mongering about mass shootings "Despite enhancements in technology, the licensing system still relies on a paperbased application process. Digitisation of the system would reduce bureaucracy, increase transparency, allow applicants to track progress, reduce the variability in the way forces manage the application process and make it much more efficient and effective. We cannot make our position any clearer: it is now for others to accept the need for change. If they do, perhaps the life of the next victim of firearms misuse might be saved. What is highly likely is that, if change is not effected, there will be another tragedy." The basic premise seems to be that the Police licencing system will prevent futures crimes by inspecting confidential medical records. If I have it correctly mass shootings are often fired by personality disorder not mental health issues caused by disease processes like depression. Domestic violence is powered by narcissism which is not something that an average GP would diagnose or record in their notes. Looks like a dogs breakfast to me This is what the press have jumped on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 harpoonlouis - good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Close to 600,000 certs on issue, and now they are saying there will be a massacre... Have they nothing better to talk about.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 This is what they have been reading and homed in on the final sentence on page 10 http://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/wp-content/uploads/firearms-licensing-targeting-the-risk.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 One thing they should be doing is trying to sort out knife crime, 16yr old stabbed to death in london is another story on bbc news today, yet the watchdog focus on licencing for firearms... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travlaa Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34248179 Article on BBC news about it. On BBC Radio 1 news, they stated that people were "at severe risk of gun massacres, due to slack checks by licencing agencies". Think BASC should be on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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