Finally decided on a new NV

[Redditch]

After having use NV in the military, and having used it for 4 years now on foxes and rabbits, I was trying to decide on which new NV to get for my Foxing rifle (use a photon with doubler on the 17hmr for rabbits, and been using a Night Eye NE500 plus a Nite Site Wolf (the Night eye is for the mate to borrow when he comes shooting with me))

I was undecided between a Pulsar N750 with doubler, OR, the newer ATN X-Sight.

I held off purchasing awaiting to see how the X-Sight would develop with software updates.

Now, this newest update seems to have cured 99.9% of the problems it was having.

So now I just paid for a new ATN X-Sight 5-18x

I WAS going to get the 3-12x as the 3x would be better for scanning for fox, and the 12x is more than enough for the 200 metres that is usually the max distance of fox here.

HOWEVER, the importer has no 3-12x in stock, so I took the 5-18x

Edited September 30, 2015 by Redditch

[V8 90]

Be interesting to hear your thoughts after using it in the field

[steve_b_wales]

I was tempted by the ATN X-Sight, but went with the N750A as I can zero it on 3 different rifles, which in my case will be my .243, .22LR and either my .17 Hornet /.22 Hornet.

[rodp]

Hmm, I have a brand new in the box 3 x 12 X sight here. Bought it off a chap that shipped it from the USA, he never opened the box. I opened it, turned it on and took a peek through it, turned it off and put it back in the box. Shootings changed now so I'll never use it as I need an add on. I need to use one rifle day and night as I travel sometimes for shooting and have nowhere to leave one rifle whilst using another. Depending on what we're shooting stipulates which rifle I'll take.

 

Looks like they're quite a nice item now they're sorted

[rimfire4969]

Hmm, I have a brand new in the box 3 x 12 X sight here. Bought it off a chap that shipped it from the USA, he never opened the box. I opened it, turned it on and took a peek through it, turned it off and put it back in the box. Shootings changed now so I'll never use it as I need an add on. I need to use one rifle day and night as I travel sometimes for shooting and have nowhere to leave one rifle whilst using another. Depending on what we're shooting stipulates which rifle I'll take.

 

Looks like they're quite a nice item now they're sorted

 

I am looking for a 3-12 if you are thinking of selling.

 

Pm me if you like.

[oowee]

Be interesting to hear your thoughts after using it in the field

+1 be good to here if its any good in in day light. Looking at one myself. Keep us updated.

Ps its a ****** like most things shooting that we cant buy it at USA prices.

[rimfire4969]

+1 be good to here if its any good in in day light. Looking at one myself. Keep us updated.

Ps its a ****** like most things shooting that we cant buy it at USA prices.

Don't get me started Atn/Scott Country take the ****.

[martyn2233]

I am looking for a 3-12 if you are thinking of selling.

 

Pm me if you like.

look here mate

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/321724-night-vision-value-photon-and-x-sight/?fromsearch=1

[sixhills 69]

I have a 5 X 18 it's great ATN have done a lot of work on these and each upgrade offers better resolution battery life bug fixes it's a great scope best one I have owned

[Redditch]

Anyone considering buying an ATN X Sight I would advise strongly to join the "ATN Xsight Owners Group" on FB PRIOR to buying one

 

You will learn masses about problems, and their easy fixes too.

For instance, if your sight fails to recognise you SD card after installing an update, the file name is probably wrong. Change the name to the correct one, and it functions flawlessly.

Also, the supplied IR lamp is laser, so will give a "grainy" look through the scope (this is the same in all NV with laser IR), so change to an LED IR lamp, and get clear vision

The bigger the IR lamp you get, the further you will see, much as with all things. Minimum is a T20, better is a T38, even better a T50, and the mutts nuts for distance are the T67 and T76

Basically it all depends on the distance you wish to see at night, and how far you wish your safety zone to be.

A T20 will give about 150-200 metres, a T38 about 200-250 metres, and a T50 about 250-300 metres.

Basically, your lamp should give you your shooting distance, PLUS 33% so you can see what's behind too.

 

Ohh, and às for batteries in the X-Sight, normal batteries last about 10-15 minutes, energisers about 50 minutes, so every one uses Kentli. Either 2400 or 2800 mah

They are NOT CE approved, so not officially available, but UK sellers charge £16.00 PER battery. And £24.00 for the charger.

Get them off eBay, via Singapore, Philippines, Malaysia, or China. £26.00 for 4 x batteries and a charger

Edited October 1, 2015 by Redditch

[mick miller]

Wow! I'm glad I cancelled my order all those months ago. 300 metres with a T67 and 50 minutes run time? Think I'll stick with my add on.

[Mini Magnum]

Anyone considering buying an ATN X Sight I would advise strongly to join the "ATN Xsight Owners Group" on FB PRIOR to buying one

 

You will learn masses about problems, and their easy fixes too.

For instance, if your sight fails to recognise you SD card after installing an update, the file name is probably wrong. Change the name to the correct one, and it functions flawlessly.

Also, the supplied IR lamp is laser, so will give a "grainy" look through the scope (this is the same in all NV with laser IR), so change to an LED IR lamp, and get clear vision

The bigger the IR lamp you get, the further you will see, much as with all things. Minimum is a T20, better is a T38, even better a T50, and the mutts nuts for distance are the T67 and T76

Basically it all depends on the distance you wish to see at night, and how far you wish your safety zone to be.

A T20 will give about 150-200 metres, a T38 about 200-250 metres, and a T50 about 250-300 metres.

Basically, your lamp should give you your shooting distance, PLUS 33% so you can see what's behind too.

 

Ohh, and às for batteries in the X-Sight, normal batteries last about 10-15 minutes, energisers about 50 minutes, so every one uses Kentli. Either 2400 or 2800 mah

They are NOT CE approved, so not officially available, but UK sellers charge £16.00 PER battery. And £24.00 for the charger.

Get them off eBay, via Singapore, Philippines, Malaysia, or China. £26.00 for 4 x batteries and a charger

 

The ATN X-Site is a bag of **** when it comes to night vision to be honest probably the worst digital night vision available in scope form.

 

As for distances quoted visible with torches a T20 is exactly the same in lens size as a T38, the same torch just smaller design, so god knows how you come up with one can do 150-200 and the other 200-250 metres , did you just pull them figures out of the air?

Edited October 1, 2015 by Mini Magnum

[Redditch]

The ATN X-Site is a bag of **** when it comes to night vision to be honest probably the worst digital night vision available in scope form.

 

As for distances quoted visible with torches a T20 is exactly the same in lens size as a T38, the same torch just smaller design, so god knows how you come up with one can do 150-200 and the other 200-250 metres , did you just pull them figures out of the air?

Just going by what I was told by someone who happens to have tried them.

Me, I shall be using a T20 (which I've used with my other NV and found to be good enough) and a T50 (which my other mate says is the best "all rounder" )

I shall try them both, and THEN report MY findings personally

[Redditch]

Wow! I'm glad I cancelled my order all those months ago. 300 metres with a T67 and 50 minutes run time? Think I'll stick with my add on.

I don't know what the distances are with a T67 and T76 (it will also depend on other factors, one make will be better than another I guess)

I shall be using a T20 (which I found to be good enough for most Foxing and rabbiting) and a T50 (which my mate reckons is the best "all rounder" )

See how those stack up, and when I've played with them some, I will report my personal findings.

The KENTLI batteries apparently give a good few hours run time, whereas standard batteries don't

[Mini Magnum]

Just going by what I was told by someone who happens to have tried them.

Me, I shall be using a T20 (which I've used with my other NV and found to be good enough) and a T50 (which my other mate says is the best "all rounder" )

I shall try them both, and THEN report MY findings personally

 

T20/T38 are the same, T50 is a good allrounder like you say..I'd avoid the T67 to be honest, its like a brick.

[Redditch]

Right, spoke to my mate regarding his ranges in T20/T38 and his explanation is as follows.

ALL his lamps are from different makes, BUT! Only his T20 uses an 18650 (3.7 volt) and all his other are higher voltage (12 volt I think he said)

Being different makes, some are zoom too, some are not, would account for different reflectors, and higher voltage probably produces a better light too

[the enigma]

Right, spoke to my mate regarding his ranges in T20/T38 and his explanation is as follows.

ALL his lamps are from different makes, BUT! Only his T20 uses an 18650 (3.7 volt) and all his other are higher voltage (12 volt I think he said)

Being different makes, some are zoom too, some are not, would account for different reflectors, and higher voltage probably produces a better light too

 

Redditch, I've a T20 and it works well with my homemade NV out to around the 100 yard mark, running on a single 18650. It's also fitted with an adaptor so that I can fitted a doubler lens which gives good results out to 200ish. Off the top of my head, I think the adaptor and lens cost me under £15.

Edited October 2, 2015 by the enigma

[Zetter]

I have heard good things about the new black sun T20 from Clive Ward at night vision stores supposed to be a significant step up from standard T20s

As soon as the pennies mount back up again I am going to get one to go with my Ward D 700 clip on unit.

[Redditch]

Ive noticed most of the IR lamps available are either a single 18650 OR, (as my mate has informed me) 12v

Whatever happened to the units that you could fit TWO 18650 batteries in ?

[rangey]

ive been using my 3-12 xsight for the last 6 months and have tried a lot of ir lamps,the one I stick to now is the t50 and shot foxs out to 250yds with the setup.i use energisers in the xsight and get quiete a few outings with it.just make sure you turn of all the things you wont be using and it will increase the battery life no end.as for the xsight being a load of rubbish,please let us know of a setup for that price that can be used day and nite that can compare.there are better nv setups out there,but at 2 to 3 times the price.not had any foxs complaining about it...lol

[Dougy]

I borrowed an Archer not long ago combined with a new dragonfly IR from Starlight. I was after a very touchy Fox and could not mess about trying to attach my own archer after using as a spotter. Anyway back on topic,

The Dragonfly was so good I was able to ID rabbits at over 350yds, and i mean see there face not just eye shine, I was that impressed I ordered one the next morning.

[al4x]

Do you have it scope mounted or have you attached to your archer?

On this thread I do wonder at times about the money spent chopping and changing whether just buying an archer wouldn't be the best bet. Yes they are pricy but they aren't almost disposable like most of the new gear. I've had one 5 years or so still going still killing foxes. If it went wrong they can repair which isn't something it's likely to be possible to do with the new gear

[oldypigeonpopper]

 

Redditch, I've a T20 and it works well with my homemade NV out to around the 100 yard mark, running on a single 18650. It's also fitted with an adaptor so that I can fitted a doubler lens which gives good results out to 200ish. Off the top of my head, I think the adaptor and lens cost me under £15.

hello, which 2X lens an adapter did you buy. i have done my 2 T38s and getting good results, i did buy adapters but did not use as yet.

[Dougy]

Do you have it scope mounted or have you attached to your archer?

On this thread I do wonder at times about the money spent chopping and changing whether just buying an archer wouldn't be the best bet. Yes they are pricy but they aren't almost disposable like most of the new gear. I've had one 5 years or so still going still killing foxes. If it went wrong they can repair which isn't something it's likely to be possible to do with the new gear

 

Sorry al4x was that question to me ?

 

The Dragonfly is attached to the scope, I could mount it onto the archer via a scope mount but I have an adjustable mount that works very well on the scope. The problem i found was trying to attach the archer whilst i was on foot and using sticks, trying to balance the rifle while i mounted the archer, only to find Mr Fox had decided not to hang around. I had only probably fluffed up maybe 3 times but it ended up a blank night when it shouldn't have been.

But since having a Thermal spotter it makes it so simple, it doesn't necessarily need to be Thermal of course, that was my choice, any decent digital spotter would suffice, that is unless you have Fox's that are that educated that even the faint glow of the IR spooks them, I have had that at times hence another reason I went with the Thermal.

[al4x]

Interesting I was wondering about whether it could be attached to the archer directly or whether it would be too strong and need you to keep fiddling to swap between the spotter and gun? The laser on mine I find naff all use but the nm800 works well so if this is an improvement on that I might get one.

A thermal at the moment is slightly out of budget till I start selling body organs!

I have a little shoot where the resident foxes have been well educated but not to the ir yet and unlikely to get that way..... Unless someone else starts potting at them with nv as they seem to have been doing under the lamp