kyska Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 BBC 2 at nine on Wednesday. Sounds fascinating. I have a macabre interest in this, I had enough points for my pharmacology qualification so had the choice the do any course, I randomly chose 'prescriptions of nuclear warfare and strategy', this was years ago and I've kept an unhealthy interest. Drugs and their effects have been my passion in life, but this short course got me. So, the programme is about an acute escalation in nowadays, a limited first strike by the Russians and the rest seems to be about examining why the uk didn't retaliate. I can't help but think it's a dig at Corben for openly completely degrading our deterrent. Worth a watch and discussing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 If you saw the first strike map on the wall of any army training centre back in the 80,s you,d know we didnt retaliate as the isnt a country left .The overlapping shockwaves from Rolls Royce Derby,British Aerospace Bristol,London centre of goverment ,Portsmouth Naval base ,Salisbury and Aldershot main Garrisons ,RAF Conningsby,s,Scampton etc means there,s nowt left .And Trident,s probably got a couple of Akula,s fallowing it around at a safe distance .So enjoy the dig at J Corbyn esq but hope old Vlad the mad doesnt see it and think what a good idea.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 If you saw the first strike map on the wall of any army training centre back in the 80,s you,d know we didnt retaliate as the isnt a country left .The overlapping shockwaves from Rolls Royce Derby,British Aerospace Bristol,London centre of goverment ,Portsmouth Naval base ,Salisbury and Aldershot main Garrisons ,RAF Conningsby,s,Scampton etc means there,s nowt left .And Trident,s probably got a couple of Akula,s fallowing it around at a safe distance .So enjoy the dig at J Corbyn esq but hope old Vlad the mad doesnt see it and think what a good idea.atb That's the very point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Herman Kahn - The Hudson Institute - Mutually assured Destruction - Springs to mind. Would you swap Moscow for New York? That said, there is still the need for a deterrent on the basis that if You decide to take me down then I'll take you with me. If I'm gone then why should I worry about what happens to you. Hopefully the thinkers will realise that. But it's the nutters we have to worry about - Jihadists, Isis etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 It is a fascinating subject, when inwas younger I got to watch some restricted videos that were issued to the civilian services about what may be expected of them. Although I'm quite certain that thers were no real revelations in those videos it was just a bit more than other people got to hear about and has likely caused me to think about it a bit deeper. I am absolutely convinced by the need to maintain a deterrent although I also firmly believe it will never be used, but only because it's there. It is a classic paradox, if we all gave them up then the problem disappears, but none of us believe the other side will give them up so the problem perpetuates and widens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 If you want to read an interesting book, try " On the Beach" It's by Neville Shute and was written in 1957. It's old fashioned in it's style but it's interesting. MAD has stood us in good stead for years but a small " dirty bomb" could wreak havoc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 I was at school when the film Threads came out and we had to watch it. A pretty grim portrayal of nuclear war, even more so when you happen to live next to the city where it was filmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Mule Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 I was at school when the film Threads came out and we had to watch it. A pretty grim portrayal of nuclear war, even more so when you happen to live next to the city where it was filmed. Oh that was dire! Had us all hooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 The greatest threat to world peace is likely to be the election of Trump as president. It's not so much the governments of today but the governments of tomorrow that we need to safeguard ourselves against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 i think if trump got into power, we would have another grassy knoll conspiracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 i think if trump got into power, we would have another grassy knoll conspiracy I disagree, he is spouting exactly the vitriole that most Americans seem to love! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Trump vs Putin ,neither would blink but millions would die.Gives me nightmares to think about it.Putin,s already proved his total lack of humanity in Chechin and the Ukraine.Trump just spouts what the yehaa boys want to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 I was at school when the film Threads came out and we had to watch it. A pretty grim portrayal of nuclear war, even more so when you happen to live next to the city where it was filmed. I have one of the rare, real BBC copy of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 I was at school when the film Threads came out and we had to watch it. A pretty grim portrayal of nuclear war, even more so when you happen to live next to the city where it was filmed. Remember that one. Very vivid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER189 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 if you want to watch it there is a full copy of the film on youtube . prepared to be depressed after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 if you want to watch it there is a full copy of the film on youtube . prepared to be depressed after What's it called please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 What's it called please ? Threads. It was a broadcasted documentary on the BBC near to the end of the cold war, it produced many complaints. The US made a insipid version called The day after. First strike is worth watching too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 The greatest threat to world peace is likely to be the election of Trump as president. It's not so much the governments of today but the governments of tomorrow that we need to safeguard ourselves against. I suspect that if Trump gets into power he will find himself somewhat censored by the political machine that revolves around the president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Trump vs Putin ,neither would blink but millions would die. Always been the way surely because they the Politicos don't give a fig? In the bunker for them, even if only temporarily? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 That`s a relief. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that the naval dockyard at Portsmouth was to be the recipient of a Russian(Or American.) nuke. As part of a national Cunning Plan the Tories have cleverly closed Portsmouth Dockyard and moved it`s operation to Scotland. Thank goodness I don`t have to worry about a nuclear attack any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Threads. It was a broadcasted documentary on the BBC near to the end of the cold war, it produced many complaints. The US made a insipid version called The day after. First strike is worth watching too. I remember both! The day after came first and caused a fuss before it was even broadcast, it was followed by a fairly hysterical studio discussion (stomping over the closing credits of the film) As a young person, it seemed like Peyton place gets nuked and didn't bother me in the slightest. Threads on the other hand, I thought horrific and almost turned me into a "Lilly liveried don't nuke me" hippy overnight. Unyet it caused no where near the fuss of the day after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 That`s a relief. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that the naval dockyard at Portsmouth was to be the recipient of a Russian(Or American.) nuke. As part of a national Cunning Plan the Tories have cleverly closed Portsmouth Dockyard and moved it`s operation to Scotland. Thank goodness I don`t have to worry about a nuclear attack any more. Ssshh. Don't tell the Ruskies we moved the base. I'm already prepared for nuclear war, I read the leaflets from the 80s. My windows are now painted white and my entire family are now living beneath the kitchen table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Always been the way surely because they the Politicos don't give a fig? In the bunker for them, even if only temporarily? I don't believe that in the slightest. The politicos are just people like you and I, maybe have a different motivation and ambition, but they have all of the same fears and insecurities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I disagree, he is spouting exactly the vitriole that most Americans seem to love! Jfk was the people's choice too. But his decisions didn't suit the real people that run everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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