Savhmr Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Surprised nobody picked up on this. I'd say the FEO was wrong. +1 An open ticket is just that. It entitles the holder to shoot anywhere that he has permission and where he considers it safe for calibre etc. This sounds like it may have been confused with the requirements of a closed ticket where you can shoot over land other than your primary permission providing that you are authorised by the landowner and where your licencing team have cleared the land for that calibre. The confusion could be in the definition of your primary permission which needs to be stated on your application. When my last variations came through, although I have an open ticket, they still required me to have my primary permission cleared for the new CF calibres but the certificate was returned with an open ticket for my 223 allowing me to shoot anywhere I deem safe/have permission without notifying licencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonker Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I always overdo everything, I've a cabinet for my rifles, a cabinet for my shotguns. A safe for my ammo (rifle) and a separate safe for my bolts and a few cartridges I keep the spare keys in the ammo safe also. As for my first set of keys for both cabinets, I leave them in the locks in case I lose them Edited February 8, 2016 by tonker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exudate Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) If you have a trusted shooting buddy, and you both only have section 2 guns in your cabinets, then you can hold each other's spare keys in your gun safe. Not valid if one or both of you have section 1 guns in there, since only you (the license holder) can have access to them. However, you can give an authorised person (ie another shotgun certificate holder) access to your section 2 guns with your permission, which is why it's ok to keep each other's spare keys in this scenario. Edited February 8, 2016 by Exudate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Gentlemen, I thank you for your responses. Some have been more useful than others, but they've all greatly brightened a rainy evening - together with the very large 16 year-old Glenlivets we drank to mark my neighbour's birthday. The even larger Cragganmores we used to wash down the Glenlivet were the icing on the cake that we didn't bother having - given a choice between damaging our livers with alcohol and damaging our teeth with sugar we wisely chose the former as we'd have to pay for dental treatment. Thank you again for the fun. By the way, and I hate to say it, the Cragganmore was more pleasant than the Glenlivet. Should I resent this comment?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Should I resent this comment?? No he is obviously drunk By the way aldivalloch its good to see thanks for input response, quite often people never acknowledge answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I always overdo everything, I've a cabinet for my rifles, a cabinet for my shotguns. A safe for my ammo (rifle) and a separate safe for my bolts and a few cartridges I keep the spare keys in the ammo safe also. As for my first set of keys for both cabinets, I leave them in the locks in case I loose them You're not such a tonker then. I keep mine in my pants and don't explain my limp to anyone. Edited February 8, 2016 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I am not aware the licencing/renewal regulations are different in Scotland, if they are not he has no need to take your existing FAC for a renewal, did you ask him why he wanted it? The specific wording is required from your FAC to establish if it is Open? What comes before and after this, "anywhere the holder has lawful authority" Regarding cabinet keys, as far as I'm aware there is nothing to stop anyone lodging a sealed letter with a solicitor detailing key location, with instruction to only be opened on production of a Temporary or Full FAC for your guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I am not aware the licencing/renewal regulations are different in Scotland, if they are not he has no need to take your existing FAC for a renewal, did you ask him why he wanted it? The specific wording is required from your FAC to establish if it is Open? What comes before and after this, "anywhere the holder has lawful authority" Regarding cabinet keys, as far as I'm aware there is nothing to stop anyone lodging a sealed letter with a solicitor detailing key location, with instruction to only be opened on production of a Temporary or Full FAC for your guns. Doesn't the envelope need only to say "to be opened after the death of Mr "Blah Blah" ... no need to mention FAC as that can all be done on the inside. The solicitor will then have access to a cabinet but no access to the property which is yet another safeguard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Doesn't the envelope need only to say "to be opened after the death of Mr "Blah Blah" ... no need to mention FAC as that can all be done on the inside. The solicitor will then have access to a cabinet but no access to the property which is yet another safeguard. I'm no expert on this situation, but simply on death means someone not authorised "may" have access to guns. The family have no legal right to that information as far as I'm aware, but if they write to their police region they will be granted a Temporary FAC and can then access Firearms. There is no need for the solicitor to open, or know the contents of the letter. Edited February 8, 2016 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I use one of the small key safes that you can use outside to house keys in , they work on a number pad and screed it in loft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Who cares about what happens to their keys guns etc after they are dead, let the police sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Funny that about Keys: My Feo asked me to open cabinet to check guns, When I asked him to turn his back so he didn`t know where I hide them, He remarked it was him that issued the certificates.?.. To which I replied that the day before a Copper Had Killed his wife and two kids, TURN YOUR BACK.. Which he duely did,, And never commented again on the subject, Yer Right:: If you knew he was coming would you not just have your keys in your pocket to open the cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Who cares about what happens to their keys guns etc after they are dead, let the police sort it out. Easy to say 😟 And if you had a pair of purdys and lived in a area where the licencing authority policy is destruction of unlicensed weapons ? They are unlicensed the moment you fall of your perch Would you think the same or make provision Maybe lodging a set of keys with your local freindly Rfd Just a thought Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I had the same talk with the FEO that came to our gun club regarding our section 11 certificate She said that whilst its wrong, they would rather the wife/husband/partner should know the location of the cabinet keys, it would make everyone's life easier if they knew where they were when the licence holder popped their clogs, I live on my own and as been said many times above that it doesn't matter because you're dead, it just takes away the stress of those left behind of trying to sort the guns out. I suspect that many partners do know the location but don't admit it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 And if you had a pair of purdys and lived in a area where the licencing authority policy is destruction of unlicensed weapons ? I doint have a pair of purdys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I doint have a pair of purdys. Fair enough 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzashadow Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 I am very surprised he did not leave your old licence or a copy of it. also it sounds like they got in touch with you first, you did not know who they were and then they asked where your keys were. was this a scam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I am very surprised he did not leave your old licence or a copy of it. also it sounds like they got in touch with you first, you did not know who they were and then they asked where your keys were. was this a scam? That's not what I said. I initially got a courtesy telephone call from the local station, the renewal papers arrived by post the following day, and the discussion about the keys took place face-to-face during the officer's home visit. No scam - not unless the officer sneaked into the police station to use the phone and then went back again a fortnight later to borrow a uniform and a marked car for the visit!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Should I resent this comment?? Absolutely not! Both excellent, but the Cragganmore was the slightly more excellenter of the two. Out of interest, does your user-name indicate a connection or just an appreciation of the product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzashadow Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 That's not what I said. I initially got a courtesy telephone call from the local station, the renewal papers arrived by post the following day, and the discussion about the keys took place face-to-face during the officer's home visit. No scam - not unless the officer sneaked into the police station to use the phone and then went back again a fortnight later to borrow a uniform and a marked car for the visit!! didn`t mean anything by it but with what`s going on with scams lately(ringing from the bank and sending someone round to get your card), you can never be to careful and my old FAO came round in a plain white van, and an old pair of jeans and shirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldivalloch Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 didn`t mean anything by it but with what`s going on with scams lately(ringing from the bank and sending someone round to get your card), you can never be to careful and my old FAO came round in a plain white van, and an old pair of jeans and shirt No problem. And you're spot on about scamming - it seems to have become a national sport! We now have a phone that filters unfamiliar numbers. The officer who came to see me was in full uniform including body armour, baton, cuffs and pepper spray, and arrived in a marked Focus estate which she (yes, I've got a female feo) neatly reversed into our little drive to keep the street clear. The effect was fabulous - my nosey neighbours were suddenly all at their windows, only to be caught in the act when I went to the door!! Made my day!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 My other half has everything on her certificate too so she can know where the keys are. Unfortunately she isnt interested in rifles though so if i go down the fac route i may need a second safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 My key safe is more secure than my cabinets. A locksmith would make short work of a standard cabinet so I'd recommend the Mrs did that. Either that or leave the combination with the solicitors to be given to her when I die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Crumbs do you all in love castles! If it wasn't for the cabinet I would have no places to stash anything, a house is only so big.... Won't take too long something.... Leaving the keys on a hook in the hall with a tag labelled " gun cabinet" is probably not secure enough..... If you think you other half, kids don't know where you stash stuff then think again...... On another note wills don't get read the day or even week you die..... When my grandfather died suddenly the police arrived PNC flagged guns in the house and they insisted the guns were removed that night! As he was dead they were unlicensed .... Had to be removed no other options, had he gone to hospital and been there a week or more no issues but oh no that wanted it all done that night, resulting in my mum and her sister having to go through all his things to find the keys to then go up the attic with plod and the. Fill out paperwork a couple of hours after discovering him deceased..... Make it a bit easier on your loved ones and don't put them through that....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valley boy Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 with me at all times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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