buze Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 We have two front doors, one behind the other. Each locked. Currently we have two neighbours who have each a key to each of the door, we always said it was for 'insurance reason' -- but it's quite convenient as it is... They'd still have access if we weren't there in case of emergency, but they'd have to agree with each others -- they are clearly not the 'matey' kind: good long term neighbours but not on back-slapping terms. Thing is, can we tell the officer that during the interview? Is having keys to the house (NOT the cabinet) a big no-no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Why would you need to mention it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Keys to your house are keys to your house.... Keys for your cabinet are they keys to your cabinet..... I have spare house keys with people I trust (not neighbours) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy.plinker Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I wouldn't think they'd be too pleased with that arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I wouldn't think they'd be too pleased with that arrangement. Intrigued as to why you think that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 It's not an arrangement I would volunteer to the police. It's also an arrangement I personally wouldn't countenance with firearms in the house. However you obviously know your situation and the people involved far better than I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I'm assuming each neighbour has 1 key and 2 are required to enter the property. So neither has access to the property independently, and neither would have access to the cabinet keys. Read the firearms act and security guidance only you can decide if your covered and then if tested in court if you were right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Personally I wouldn't mention it. Many people have keys to other peoples houses, including those who own guns. Just because you're a firearms holder doesn't mean you have to live your life constantly second guessing each decision you make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted February 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I trust both neighbours -- they have one key each, I tought this would be pretty good as far as security is concerned -- neither can get into the house by himself... Thing is, I don't want to lie if the question is asked 'do anyone else have keys to the house' -- And I don't want to insult my neibours by removing the keys; you know how it is, they are both good chaps too, that'd be rude and I'd have to explain WHY, and lie a bit more if I don't want to tell them I have a gun cabinet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 You are thinking way to much into it, but if you did mention it to the feo I don't think they would be to impressed with the idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxtav Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Why the issue with house keys. The way some people appear to think it seems that if you have a cabinet in the house no one other than the certificate holder can have keys to the house. So better get those other keys off the wife and not let anyone in the house unles the certificate holder is there. As long as they can't get the keys to the cabinet what's the issue. We are maybe different in Scotland and I know a few feo's and the only keys they are worried about being secure are the cabinet keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 In Suffolk the police encourage 'key holders' of properties and there is a system for registering it with the police. Can't see what it has to do with your gun cabinet. I can leave builders, friends, family, visiting guests, anyone I like in the house while I go out or am away. Why do some guys look for problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted February 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I don't see a problem myself, I wouldn't do it otherwise, but I'm asking if it IS a problem with the officer. So far the resounding answer seems to be don't tell/don't mention -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 I would not even bother mentioning it. You're inviting grief where it's irrelevant. When we're away, we often have friends house-sit (it's easier with feeding chickens and looking after sheep). My mother-in-law has a key for the house. The lady who occasionally grazes her horse on our fields has a key to the house (if we're stuck somewhere and can't get back). All of those are reliable, trustworthy people. None of them have access to the gun cabinet keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 You can never tell with FEOs. Mine wasn`t happy that when I was at work there was no one in the house and the guns would be unattended. It didn`t matter that the guns were locked up. A completely ridiculous thing to say imo. If he doesn`t ask don`t volunteer the information and if he does you have two choices. Either tell him your arrangements or tell him that you don`t feel it has any relevance to you being issued an SGC as you will be the only one with access to the cabinet. If you feel he`s pressuring you then tell him you would like to discuss it with your BaSC representative first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 We have two front doors, one behind the other. Each locked. Currently we have two neighbours who have each a key to each of the door, we always said it was for 'insurance reason' -- but it's quite convenient as it is... They'd still have access if we weren't there in case of emergency, but they'd have to agree with each others -- they are clearly not the 'matey' kind: good long term neighbours but not on back-slapping terms. Thing is, can we tell the officer that during the interview? Is having keys to the house (NOT the cabinet) a big no-no? buze, I don't know you or if that's your real picture on your profile, just a friendly bit of advise from another shooter.It's not only shooting minded people that read this forum, the police regularly read forums from time to time so I'm told (No I'm not a policeman) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 buze, I don't know you or if that's your real picture on your profile, just a friendly bit of advise from another shooter. It's not only shooting minded people that read this forum, the police regularly read forums from time to time so I'm told (No I'm not a policeman)[/quote No we don't. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 No we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighteye Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Tell the feo and if they are not happy then tell them "well if I come home and the cabinet has been broken into but the house is secure we will know where to look for my guns , wont we !" Does anybody else think that the common sense of the FEO'S lately has diminished somewhat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I think some people need to broaden their perspective a bit. There is no reason for the OP's situation to be a problem. Consider a being certificate holder in a few different scenarios. Are you married? Does your partner have a key to the house? How about kids? Do you trust them to be in the house without you there? Do you rent your property? Have you ever met your landlord face to face? What about all of the people in the estate agent who have access to a key? Do you have a cleaner or a dog walker? None of these are unusual scenarios where an FEO would expect no one else to have access to the property. In every case a singular person has personal access to your house and yet the guns are still secure in a cabinet where they don't have access. Regarding the OP, he has taken a sensible precaution to minimize the risk of single person access while still enabling life to go on as needed. An FEO should have no issue with that. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Engineer Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 buze, I don't know you or if that's your real picture on your profile, just a friendly bit of advise from another shooter. It's not only shooting minded people that read this forum, the police regularly read forums from time to time so I'm told (No I'm not a policeman)[/quote No we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 We have two front doors, one behind the other. Each locked. Currently we have two neighbours who have each a key to each of the door, we always said it was for 'insurance reason' -- but it's quite convenient as it is... They'd still have access if we weren't there in case of emergency, but they'd have to agree with each others -- they are clearly not the 'matey' kind: good long term neighbours but not on back-slapping terms. Thing is, can we tell the officer that during the interview? Is having keys to the house (NOT the cabinet) a big no-no? Where on the FAC/SGC application does it ask who has all the keys to your front door? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I think some people need to broaden their perspective a bit. There is no reason for the OP's situation to be a problem. Consider a being certificate holder in a few different scenarios. Are you married? Does your partner have a key to the house? How about kids? Do you trust them to be in the house without you there? Do you rent your property? Have you ever met your landlord face to face? What about all of the people in the estate agent who have access to a key? Do you have a cleaner or a dog walker? None of these are unusual scenarios where an FEO would expect no one else to have access to the property. In every case a singular person has personal access to your house and yet the guns are still secure in a cabinet where they don't have access. Regarding the OP, he has taken a sensible precaution to minimize the risk of single person access while still enabling life to go on as needed. An FEO should have no issue with that. Rick Rick Great post, thank the Lord there are still some with sensible, real life advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Get the keys off your neighbours, saying you need to make extra copies, or you are changing the locks.. If plod asks who else has keys, you can say no-one. When plod has gone, let the neighbours have the keys again. Clear conscience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Get the keys off your neighbours, saying you need to make extra copies, or you are changing the locks.. If plod asks who else has keys, you can say no-one. When plod has gone, let the neighbours have the keys again. Clear conscience? Irrelevant ! My wife, although she has SGC, does not have FAC. As such, she does not know where the keys to my rifle cabinet are kept. Or is it really being said that only I should have a key to get into the house ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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