Albert 888 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I'm having a ponder over changing my rifles around. Im shooting 100m-300m and fancy something a bit different. To do this I'm going to sell my 357 and 223. The rifle will be mainly target ue but need it for fox also. It will need to be as accurate as my 527 as in sub 0.5" moa. What options do I have. I do about of of the elbows shooting prone. What do I go for and what are your opinions, I have used a Bradley arms and quite liked it or my other thoughts are to have one built. Photos and reviews would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I had a southern gun 22lr and it shot 3/4" groups easily at 80 yards ( better than my Brno ) I really like all their guns but the after service was lacking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Have a look at a Haenel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 its a shame ruger precision doesn't come in .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katash Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Saw something on Facebook recently (this week) about a questionable future for straight pull and lever release rifles, something about EU law.Didn't read it fully but I'll see if I can find the details. Edited June 9, 2016 by Katash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 its a shame ruger precision doesn't come in .223 mini 14 does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katash Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Found it, was in a closed group "Racknload" 7 June at 18:18 Hello all, I have some info that might be important to some of you. Don't shoot the messenger as I'm genuinely trying to help. Today I did a videoed demo of a straight pull AK, a lever release M4 and a MARS VZ58, I was asked to do this for our firearms licencing manager, the home office is quite clear that they are section 1 as they are not semi auto, but Nabis are saying they should be section 5 as they could fall under the especially dangerous category. Our firearms licencing manager is open minded and has no opinions either way but needs clarification, hence the demo and a report will be produced. I'm telling you because there is a possibility that they could be classed as section 5 and owners would lose them, possibly without compensation. I was clear in my opinion as a shooter that they were legal and presented no more danger that another firearm, also that as a firearms officer I saw no reason that a person wanting to use a firearm for illegal purposes would bother getting a licence and spending a fortune on one of these guns when they could buy an illegal full auto weapon for less money and without as much fuss. I know very little about the legal side or what decision will be made, there might end up being a test case in court. I just wanted people to have as much info as possible before they spend lots of money. Edited June 9, 2016 by Katash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted June 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Thanks for the heads up I have heard a few rumours about the straightpulls being looked into. The haenel looks just the job. I have an open mind and know nothing about them really. Will keep asking and looking for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Not sure if you can find one but I had an Olympic arms AR15 with a floating match barrel. It was superbly accurate I upgraded to a colt upper at one point which was great but didn't make a huge difference. Just remember that the AR is a platform and you can customise them to death but my advice is start with a good all round rifle and see how you get on. I had a southern gun for a while but took it back to Fulton's as it had a problem with slam firing. I'll try and dig some pics out of my AR although it will probably make me want to go out and buy another!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_fox Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Bradley arms, Valkyrie rifles, north west custom parts and I'm sure there are a few others will build you a rifle (AR style or bolt action) to the spec & calibre you want. Just be prepared with the cheque book, it's so tempting to just add another thing on and before you know it it's quite expensive. I got a Bradley arms straight pull and took ages working out barrel length, twist rate, barrel weight, hand guard, trigger etc. Good fun when you get it though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I'm liking the sounds of these 223 lever release rifles , where is the lever and how does it work ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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team tractor Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Watch the last 2 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardman Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I had an AR15 built for me by Sabre Defence.Not cheap, but a fantastic rifle.It has had a pretty hard life, but never jammed or let me down once.It cost around £1500 five years ago.But it was money well spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Phwoooarrrr ... Now I like that lol I tried their online build a rifle thingy it come to about £4,000 ... That I don't like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 its a shame ruger precision doesn't come in .223 It does, try the Ranch, straight pull. Have used it in semi auto in the States, very nice gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe soapy Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 One thing that does not seem to be discussed with the ar/ak type rifles is the lower barrel and its effect on recoil. My take on it is that the straight line of recoil forces contributes greatly to their shootabilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 One thing that does not seem to be discussed with the ar/ak type rifles is the lower barrel and its effect on recoil. My take on it is that the straight line of recoil forces contributes greatly to their shootabilty I thought it was the stock line that put them online with the barrel, not a "lower barrel". Unless you mean the same thing. With the 223/5.56 I can't see recoil being much if anything. Maybe the AK/SKS would have a bit more punch, but I also thought that the stock shape on this isn't the same as the AR, it's curved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 AR15s are legal in the UK?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 AR15s are legal in the UK?! The make and model of the rifle is irrelevant. The semi automatic action in any calibre except 22lr is banned I believe. These rifles have been converted to either straight pull, or lever release as shown in the videos. Therefore do not come under the definition or semi auto. I think that LR 223 is absolutely mint, however, 1) it's about £5000 which is ridiculous and 2) I'd be worried spending that much Incase the plod or government then banned the bloody things 😒 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) We have a clause that states an assault weapon is: (a) rifles capable of functioning as semi-automatic firearms and as automatic firearms, (b) firearms that resemble such rifles; which is colloquially known as the 'I don't like the look of that' clause. Any weapon classed as an assault weapon is automatically proscribed, so an AR15 type rifle would be out. Seems you guys have more sensible laws Edited June 14, 2016 by iano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 The make and model of the rifle is irrelevant. The semi automatic action in any calibre except 22lr is banned I believe. These rifles have been converted to either straight pull, or lever release as shown in the videos. Therefore do not come under the definition or semi auto. I think that LR 223 is absolutely mint, however, 1) it's about £5000 which is ridiculous and 2) I'd be worried spending that much Incase the plod or government then banned the bloody things If they're banned then you would be compensated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 If they're banned then you would be compensated. For the full amount ? I hear some people saying they had good compensation during other ban, and I've seen some people say they got shafted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) The make and model of the rifle is irrelevant. The semi automatic action in any calibre except 22lr is banned I believe. These rifles have been converted to either straight pull, or lever release as shown in the videos. Therefore do not come under the definition or semi auto. I think that LR 223 is absolutely mint, however, 1) it's about £5000 which is ridiculous and 2) I'd be worried spending that much Incase the plod or government then banned the bloody things ONLY .22 Rimfire is allowed - not specifically .22LR Not that long ago someone was designing a .223Rem style cartridge, but in rimfire The plod are there to ENFORCE the laws of the land, not make them up to their liking (much as they'd like the latter to be an option!) Edited June 14, 2016 by Teal Removed false quotation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe soapy Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 I thought it was the stock line that put them online with the barrel, not a "lower barrel". Unless you mean the same thing. With the 223/5.56 I can't see recoil being much if anything. Maybe the AK/SKS would have a bit more punch, but I also thought that the stock shape on this isn't the same as the AR, it's curved. AR/AK have the gas cylinder above the barrel, this puts scope mounting much higher, so entire rifle is held lower in the relationship to shoulder, with the effective fulcrum being straight behind the barrel. A normal sporting rifle with the fashion of having scope mounted as close to barrel as possible has the effective fulcrum well below the barrel line, this has to induce rotational forces when fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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