adarmo Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Hi I have a Shotgun and Firearms Cert. because I have O/U and Semi Auto Shotguns I use for clay shooting and on my Dad's farm - I was told that whilst I have a Fireams Cert because it's only got a Shotgun on it adding a firearm may not be as simple as I'd hoped. I currently have a rabbit problem, they are out of Airgun range and the shotgun is too noisy, they are on the lawn about 50-90m from the house (I own 5 acres). I have no visible neighbours due to heavy tree and hedge screening, the nearest are 200m away. I'd like a .22 rimfire semi auto As the land is flat I'd intend to shoot them out the bedroom window - whilst I'm sure that sounds stupid, it really is the best vantage point and means the bullet will hit the ground rather than travel (albeit I have fields on all sides) So is this a good enough reason to get one, do I just have to say ".22 rimfire rifle" or is it worth adding anything else ? Do I mention shooting from a window because if I don't I'm concerned that as it's flat land they may argue the bullet could travel outside my land but I'm aware it doesn't sound great. I have shot extensively with the Army before people suggest I join a club, I have zero interest in target shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Just ask for a .22LR rifle (don't put down semi auto, in case you change your mind) and .22 moderator. I would personally buy a bolt action, such as a CZ 452. Also add how much ammunition you would like to possess. You don't have to mention about shooting from a window, but when you are interviewed by your FEO you could mention about your plans. As for shooting in the army, I'm afraid that it doesn't make any difference to the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Is your semi auto shotgun S1, because if not you probably only have a shotgun certificate, and you would need to apply for a firearms certificate - they are not the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adarmo Posted June 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Is your semi auto shotgun S1, because if not you probably only have a shotgun certificate, and you would need to apply for a firearms certificate - they are not the same thing. Ah having now googled Section 1 and 2 Firearms I see what you mean, so although I have a certificate saying "Firearms Certificate" it isn't a Section 1 Firearms Certificate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adarmo Posted June 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Just ask for a .22LR rifle (don't put down semi auto, in case you change your mind) and .22 moderator. I would personally buy a bolt action, such as a CZ 452. Also add how much ammunition you would like to possess. You don't have to mention about shooting from a window, but when you are interviewed by your FEO you could mention about your plans. As for shooting in the army, I'm afraid that it doesn't make any difference to the police. Thanks It was more to sound out what others shooters thought. I added the Army bit because I didn't want people to go on about Firearms are different to shotguns, join a club etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Ah having now googled Section 1 and 2 Firearms I see what you mean, so although I have a certificate saying "Firearms Certificate" it isn't a Section 1 Firearms Certificate If it says Firearm certificate then it is a Firearm certificate , you may not possess a section one shotgun at the moment but I assume you could if you decided to. I would suspect that the variation for the .22 should be simple. A shotgun certificate says in the top left hand corner Shotgun certificate this allows you to possess section two only guns so a .22 would then need a Firearm certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 22lr for use of dads farm for rabbits with moderator, 1000 rounds expanding ammo, don't mention shooting anywhere else like a garden or similar...... Should be a straight forward variation, army experience will help as it means you have some safety training in place, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adarmo Posted June 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 If it says Firearm certificate then it is a Firearm certificate , you may not possess a section one shotgun at the moment but I assume you could if you decided to. I would suspect that the variation for the .22 should be simple. A shotgun certificate says in the top left hand corner Shotgun certificate this allows you to possess section two only guns so a .22 would then need a Firearm certificate. I've just googled some more - the first site I read was wrong - I own a Remington 5 shot semi auto which means it is a Class 1 So hopefully a simple process. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adarmo Posted June 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 22lr for use of dads farm for rabbits with moderator, 1000 rounds expanding ammo, don't mention shooting anywhere else like a garden or similar...... Should be a straight forward variation, army experience will help as it means you have some safety training in place, But I thought the land on which you use a gun had to be agreed too. I agree "shooting rabbits in my garden from an upstairs window" sounds dodgy but my garden is 2 acres . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 2 acres while big may not be enough to grant a 22lr alone. Can u ask neighbouring farmers for permission on there fields (even if u never shoot them) if ur FEO coes out to inspect he might ask about safety back drops etc where u can mention about upstairs window. As has been mentioned i'd go for a bolt action (my force defines that as deifferent from a semi) as semi's make so much racket cylcing bullets defeats the point of subsonics. Is ur garden well fenced? Have u thought about traping the rabbits? Will work in short term until u get ur tickets. Drop some drop box traps set on ur boundry fence would fairly sort the rabits out. Or p[possibly some baited cage traps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 You'll need a safe backdrop, even shooting from an upstairs window, at 80 or 90 yards those .22 subs can and probably will bounce off the grass and carry on going for some distance, especially if you miss the rabbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 If your certificate is section 1, then what you are talking about is a variation for a new gun. To get a new gun you have to show good reason and land suitable. If you have both then no problem for a 22lr. Now the question becomes good reason. You are unlikely to get an open certificate on your first rifle grant so you are relying on land passed by the chief of police. Will your local force pass a 2 acre garden as good reason for a 22 rf? Doubtful. So as noted above, you need a local farm with permission to be granted a 22lr. To be able to shoot in your garden, you need it to be passed for a 22lr or have an open certificate. Both of which are unlikely. Best course of action is to have a chat with your firearms officer. More than likely it is a non starter. Best course is probably a 12 ft-lb air rifle and stalk closer. Maybe you get fac air. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 You should get a rimfire on 5 acres but shooting in your garden might prove problematic. They might suggest you go for a 17HMR due to lower perceived ricochet risk. It rules out the semi auto option but will deal with your rabbit problem nicely. 90m is beginning to push it for .22LR anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 One of the areas of land for my 22lr is my garden. Its about 4 acres rising about 2m front to back over 190m approx. The FAO signed it off as safe but when he visited we talked about the safe backdrop (the hill behind where I have consent from the owner for falling shot) as well as the good backstop. There are several directions I cannot shoot as they would not be safe. Another perm is on the somerset levels and the FAO suggested I put a ladder up some of the trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adarmo Posted August 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 Just thought I'd update this, it was granted without an issue but with the condition that I shoot from an elevated position. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy220 Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 Sensible outcome. Well played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbw1shrops Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 Well done good on yer now go blat some bunnies 👍 Atb Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 I'm just surprised you have a firearms licence but you don't know what one is / what it covers. Glad you got your rifle though and good luck with the rabbits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Lloyd90 I share your sentiments......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 I'm just surprised you have a firearms licence but you don't know what one is / what it covers. Glad you got your rifle though and good luck with the rabbits Why do you say this. When I got my first rifle I knew you had to get some sort of permission from the police so I phoned our village police station and told them I wanted to get a rifle. The village bobby eventually came round with the forms which he helped me fill in and I eventually received a piece of paper authorising me to buy a rifle. I didn't really know or care what the piece of paper was, only that it enabled me to buy the rifle and some ammo. If someone had asked what the certificate was all about I wouldn't have had a clue, other than it meant I could buy and use my rifle. It was only some years later, when I fancied a hornet and went to buy one that I found out I had to go back and ask the police for another piece of paper so I could buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Sounds like Nicolas Lindhurst has gone back to 1943! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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