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Merely based on the things i see fly tipped,generally building waste, whether you like the definition of the "R" word or not,it stands strange that the rest of my statement wasn't pulled to pieces though, eh! :good:

Give me time haha

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Ok so some think illegal immigrant gang members who block the roads to assist other illegal immigrants to hide in or on trucks and lorries should not be deported but what should we do with them?

Is it purely 'illegal immigrant' gang members who are aiding others- not corrupt Larry drivers, boat owners or car drivers with caravans of all Nationalities?

The guy recently from Kent, be difficult to deport him- maybe sentenced to life in Ramsgate would be more fitting......

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Vinnie doesn't like the word Racists- thinks it's too 97 Tony Blair

 

But he does like a good read of the DM and the odd episode of Jeremy Kyle

I read the Daily mail, Telegraph and the Times as a rule, its nice to be well informed.

 

and yes the "R" word is soooo last century

 

Jeremy Kyle? not my style, its all common people, I don't mind common people, I see them sometimes from my car but they speak funny and have no teeth. Anyway it turns out they are all paid

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The problem is if they do buy some land in the UK they will not be allowed to park there caravan or camper on it the council will still make them move on as people like us will not let them do it if you cannot afford to buy a house then you are ******.

 

The thing that I do not understand about the French or other police is these people blocking the road and threatening people must be braking laws so arrest them and deport them if they cannot abide by our laws then they should not be in our countries.

 

I don't see your reasoning for your first part. If you buy a plot of land then unless there are caveats in the deeds you an park a caravan on it. If there were restrictions then you wouldn't buy it. And if you cannot afford to buy a house you are a tenant not ******.

 

Second point: There might be more to your simple train of thought than you realise. Where do you deport the people to if you don't know where they are from, can't prove where they are from and the officials in the place you think they are from won't accept them? Also, because of the UK, France et al. signing up for the ECHR (which is nothing to do with the EU before anybody starts) , you can't just deport somebody you don't like or want. They have rights as defined by the ECHR and you can be sure that some legal bods will ensure that they get some sort of hearing if only to be able to raise an invoice against the Government.

 

These immigrants don't actually want to be in France and France doesn't actually want them to be there either. The root of the problem is that the UK has the most generous benefits system in the world, a thriving black economy for jobs and an inefficient system of deportation. The immigrants want to get to the UK at any cost and to be honest France would like them to achieve that too. They don't see it as their problem and they have a point. So why should France arrest them and incur the huge legal costs plus the huge costs of imprisonment when in reality they can just keep the lid on things and hope that the problem will resolve itself at a much less cost to the public purse?

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Is it purely 'illegal immigrant' gang members who are aiding others- not corrupt Larry drivers, boat owners or car drivers with caravans of all Nationalities?

The guy recently from Kent, be difficult to deport him- maybe sentenced to life in Ramsgate would be more fitting......

Yes it is , this thread is about the problems in Calais and the videos and photos depict such.

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Ill concede they do leave rubbish and are probably responsible for as much fly tipping as the average builder - Nice sweeping generalisation there... got any proof of this? no, didn't think so. happy to point the finger at builders but not to accept that most "travellers" cause destruction and mayhem wherever they pitch up... weird.,

the point i was making that whenever a crime is committed when the gypsies are in the area they are instantly blamed , despite the fact that similar crimes will have been committed before they arrived and after they leave. however "it will be them" quoted by half wits really gets my goat, seriously? ok, I can accept that most places have these sorts of crimes anyway, but lets be honest and admit that it would be logical put two and two together when these usually unusual crimes are taking place at the same time as "travellers" coming to town and pitching up

Assumption is the mother of all mistakes, and i believe in innocent until proven otherwise, whats the alternative step back into dark and dodgy history? how about positively enforcing the laws already in place to move them on before they get a chance to test the "innocent until proven otherwise" theory? seems fair enough, no?

 

 

You racist ***** where the hell did you pluck that from? nothing he said was racist?!?!?!?

 

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Its up to the French Authorities to sort this issue.

 

Those immigrants desperate to get to Britain are being exploited by gun toting traffickers.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the French armed forces aren't soon drafted in to deal with this.

 

The French don't normally deliberate in these cases.

 

AS for travellers that's a separate topic.. But they should be afforded the same rights and abide by the same laws as everyone else.

 

If the Authorities fail to uphold the laws of the land travellers shouldn't be victimised for it.

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Hahaha you had better take it up with the local paper, I'm only repeating what information the police had made public.

As for permanent camps, they are a different kettle of fish and yes they do keep them tidy (even if usually erected without planning), we are talking about turning up on a playing field or farmers field and leaving behind everything they don't want to take with them, ie gas bottles, tyres, rubbish, ill horses, and human waste.

I'm from East anglia where this sort of thing is a bigger problem. For example, a very good friend of mine recently sacked his "travelling" background cleaner. Lo and behold a week later his guns are stolen!! The police know where they are and are hopeful they can get them back

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You racist ***** Yes I am suggesting the fly tipping is comparable to the average builder, so you saw these "Irish Plates " on a van that stole a caravan? and you did what?I will guess you didn't see this but have heard a rumour, whoever did see this plated disappearing with a caravan would presumably have called the Police, who no doubt couldn't attend due to a breech of human rights , I cant believe what in hearing. I live within a mile of a local permanent camp in Leeds, there is only one, its been there 30 years, and most people who live in Leeds are unaware of its existence, trouble outside the camp virtually none, and it gets plenty of attention from the Police without the local rag jumping on a band wagon

 

 

Seriously?

 

You sound like the lot on FB as the caravans rolled in - 'don't tar them with the same brush, give them a chance'.

 

Well funny. They have all wound their necks in when faced with the aftermath.

 

I'll see if I can get some photos up.

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The point is would we in the UK allow this to happen on our A roads and Motorways if the rolls were reversed, just imagine someone bringing down a tree on the M20 Ashford to Folkestone.

The French should bring in whatever means are necessary to nip this in the bud, the traffickers should be treated as criminals and locked up, the so called refuges should be warned that they are taking part in criminal activity and subject to the laws of that country and if possible deported.

 

Or is that just to simple?

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Round our way we have been invaded by the travelling community. When news of their arrival went round facebook like wildfire there were a dissenting minority calling for the travellers to be treated with respect and how we shouldn't leap to tar them all with the same brush. In reply all the usual predictions were made about crime and waste.

 

Anyways, the travellers have now moved on and left carnage behind them. Dumped caravans, garden and building waste fly tipped, gas bottles galore - you know, the same old same old.

 

Whilst everyone is now inviting the small traveller supporting minority to grab a bin bag and clear up the **** they left behind, I am still left with the question of why do we put up with this predictable criminality? Why?

 

Following on, in Calais, why do we have to tolerate and tip toe round people who break the law. If they got water cannons and tear gas every night it would soon enough stop.''''''''''''' Funny there is never a problem like this on Royal Deeside is there? Lovelly part of the country(they seem to like this) maybe they don,t fancy Royal neighbors

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The point is would we in the UK allow this to happen on our A roads and Motorways if the rolls were reversed, just imagine someone bringing down a tree on the M20 Ashford to Folkestone.

The French should bring in whatever means are necessary to nip this in the bud, the traffickers should be treated as criminals and locked up, the so called refuges should be warned that they are taking part in criminal activity and subject to the laws of that country and if possible deported.

 

Or is that just to simple?

 

As I said earlier; As soon as the French authorities apprehend a migrant it costs the country a fortune. They have to imprison the migrant, try and ascertain where they are from and if possible an identity. If they are successful and the odds of that aren't great, then they have to begin a legal procedure to deport them. That involves all sorts of financial expense and at the end of the process they might find that they cannot deport them. So then they have to accept them into the French system entailing even more expense and at the end of all that the migrant who doesn't want to stay in France is still wanting to get to the UK.

 

Simple it ain't.

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As I said earlier; As soon as the French authorities apprehend a migrant it costs the country a fortune. They have to imprison the migrant, try and ascertain where they are from and if possible an identity. If they are successful and the odds of that aren't great, then they have to begin a legal procedure to deport them. That involves all sorts of financial expense and at the end of the process they might find that they cannot deport them. So then they have to accept them into the French system entailing even more expense and at the end of all that the migrant who doesn't want to stay in France is still wanting to get to the UK.

 

Simple it ain't.

I would think the cost of policing this is high? So are these migrants looking for a safe European country or a gravy train country? (UK)

 

So they can come to a European country and do as they please and brake the law with no one in authority willing to stop them?

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Seriously?

 

You sound like the lot on FB as the caravans rolled in - 'don't tar them with the same brush, give them a chance'.

 

Well funny. They have all wound their necks in when faced with the aftermath.

 

I'll see if I can get some photos up.

Why not, Google provides lots of evidence,maybe we just get a better class of gypsy in Leeds

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I think it was about the caravan disapearing with a van Bearing Irish plates,not sure how many people can spot Irish plates on a van been towed by a caravan, i mean its a well known fact all travelers have Irish plates, strange how nobody managed to report it in time as seems to be the case when all crimes been committed by the travelling lads

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It will be interesting to see what happens when France vote in

a ultra right wing president.

As for travelers they don't like to make trouble near a fixed camp.

It's called not pooping on your own doorstep.(would rather do it on a kids playing field)

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It will be interesting to see what happens when France vote in

a ultra right wing president.

As for travelers they don't like to make trouble near a fixed camp.

It's called not pooping on your own doorstep.(would rather do it on a kids playing field)

 

They won't, or so I believe / understand from friends and neighbours- but. Maybe that's just this region.

 

Only way Front Nationale is gaining power is if a protest vote goes 'wrong' !

 

Out for drinks tonight so will canvas for you as I know some people coming are from the North

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These immigrants don't actually want to be in France and France doesn't actually want them to be there either. The root of the problem is that the UK has the most generous benefits system in the world, a thriving black economy for jobs and an inefficient system of deportation. The immigrants want to get to the UK at any cost and to be honest France would like them to achieve that too. They don't see it as their problem and they have a point. So why should France arrest them and incur the huge legal costs plus the huge costs of imprisonment when in reality they can just keep the lid on things and hope that the problem will resolve itself at a much less cost to the public purse?

In a nutshell!

 

It's the same here in as much as the financial cost of interfering with their freedoms causes the authorities to be blind.

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I would think the cost of policing this is high?

 

So are these migrants looking for a safe European country or a gravy train country? (UK)

 

So they can come to a European country and do as they please and brake the law with no one in authority willing to stop them?

1. Yes, but not as high as the cost of detaining them and going through the asylum / deportation process.

2. The answer should be obvious. The migrants haven't registered in a safe EU country and are intent at getting into the UK.

3. Yes, for the reasons I have already given.

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1. Yes, but not as high as the cost of detaining them and going through the asylum / deportation process.

2. The answer should be obvious. The migrants haven't registered in a safe EU country and are intent at getting into the UK.

3. Yes, for the reasons I have already given.

It doesn't have to be that complicated. Years ago I worked with an Irish lad who got deported from Canada when he was caught working without a permit. He was on a plane within hours, no hearing, nothing. They just drove him straight to the airport, stamped his passport and put him on the plane. Their attitude is its our country so its our rules.

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It doesn't have to be that complicated. Years ago I worked with an Irish lad who got deported from Canada when he was caught working without a permit. He was on a plane within hours, no hearing, nothing. They just drove him straight to the airport, stamped his passport and put him on the plane. Their attitude is its our country so its our rules.

And this is what we should do.

If we have to pay a fine (don't see why)pay it from the foreign aid budget.

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I think it was about the caravan disapearing with a van Bearing Irish plates,not sure how many people can spot Irish plates on a van been towed by a caravan, i mean its a well known fact all travelers have Irish plates, strange how nobody managed to report it in time as seems to be the case when all crimes been committed by the travelling lads

Take it up with suffolk police/newmarket journal. A storage compound was broken into and 2 caravans stolen. The police are looking for a van of some sort with Irish number plates that was seen by I don't know who leaving the scene. You must get a better class in Leeds, round here they are a bunch of thieving, violent, hare coursing scumbags
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It doesn't have to be that complicated. Years ago I worked with an Irish lad who got deported from Canada when he was caught working without a permit. He was on a plane within hours, no hearing, nothing. They just drove him straight to the airport, stamped his passport and put him on the plane. Their attitude is its our country so its our rules.

 

It does have to be that complicated when the country has signed up for the ECHR. Canada hasn't. The UK has.

 

Also, your example is straightforward in the that guy had a current Irish passport. The migrants we are talking about have no passports, no identity papers and therefore cannot be repatriated so easily. You cannot force a country to accept a person when that country doesn't want them back. You cannot deport a person to a country that is deemed to be unsafe. Which is where the ECHR issues come in.

 

It isn't as easy as many of you believe. Otherwise it would have been solved by now.

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