Sussex gardener Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I recently purchased a w/s .410 bolt, chambered for 2.5 inch, all three shots taken with it show signs of burning on the end of the cartridge, is this normal for a. 410, orake is the chamber too short? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Look ok to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Make ? I've had RC's tear half the case away on firing. It does look like the chamber is maybe 2 inch if it is an old single. Edited August 31, 2016 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex gardener Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Make ? I've had RC's tear half the case away on firing. It does look like the chamber is maybe 2 inch if it is an old single. Hi Walker, they are lyvale express. The barrel is marked as 2 1/2". I'm not used to .410 but was a bit concerned to see the ends burnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex gardener Posted August 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Another picture, showing a bit more detail...... within the 300kb limit that is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I'd be happy with them. Eleys doit all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I recently purchased a w/s .410 bolt, chambered for 2.5 inch, all three shots taken with it show signs of burning on the end of the cartridge, is this normal for a. 410, orake is the chamber too short? Thanks in advance It would not be the chamber too short, it would be the cartridge too long. I know just splitting hairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 never seen that before............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Eleys with the rolled ends in 3 inch did that in my mossberg pump thing is the cartridge fused it's self into barrel and could rack the slide had to forceful pull the barrel out of the action and use pointed mole grips to pull it out got them Changed with 2 and half inch havnt tried them yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dob Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I use lylvale, never had that but my 410 has 3" chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I does look like what happens if you use a 3" cartridge in a 2 1/2" chambered gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I occasional shoot Lylevale and they come out of both my Mossy pumper and the Yilditz ready to reload. As I said the only damage I have seen with fourtens is with RCs and on some occasions almost half the case goes up the barrel with the shot. Mind they do kill well. Still think the chamber is too short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I was told off eley that you carnt use 3 inch cartridges even tho my gun chambered for 3 inch that's why I've had problems and shes heard of this before got the slab changed for 2 and half and when there gone won't ever buy another eley 410 cartridge again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I've got a few Eley 3 inch I will try one in my Mossy tomorrow. I've shot hundreds of rounds through it of differing makes and never had such a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinybum Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I was told off eley that you carnt use 3 inch cartridges even tho my gun chambered for 3 inch that's why I've had problems and shes heard of this before got the slab changed for 2 and half and when there gone won't ever buy another eley 410 cartridge again so what could you use an Eley 3inch cartridge in?? I have shot many Eley .410 and never had a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 The problem only started when I bought the eleys in rolled ends the 5 star crimp ones worked fine was told off eley there running rolled ended cartridges across there whole 410 range now so what could you use an Eley 3inch cartridge in?? I have shot many Eley .410 and never had a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Thought that my self she just said had a fuw complaints same as mine and offered to take them back and give me another batch of the 3 inch first cartridge from the second lot did same now they just changed them with 2 and half chambered am just going to stick with 19 gram 3inch no 6 fiocci with 5 star crimped ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycho Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 what shot size are the cartridges, i have known it happen with shot size 7, as it burns hotter to achieve the same FPS, never had it happen with size 6 or 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 The problem was with shot size 7 in 3 inch roll ends got them swopped now for 2 and half shot size 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I recently purchased a w/s .410 bolt, chambered for 2.5 inch, all three shots taken with it show signs of burning on the end of the cartridge, is this normal for a. 410, orake is the chamber too short? Thanks in advance What does the detail on the cartridge box actually give the length of the cartridges to be? I just had a mesure up and an unfired 2" (fourten ) Cartridge is aprox 1-15/16 or 48m/m. and A 2-1/2" (fourlong ) is 2-5/16 or 59m/m long. The fourlong case is marked up as 2-1/2 chamber. I would have thought that your gun would have been chambered for the fourlong but it will be stamped onto the barrel. I was told off eley that you carnt use 3 inch cartridges even tho my gun chambered for 3 inch that's why I've had problems and shes heard of this before got the slab changed for 2 and half and when there gone won't ever buy another eley 410 cartridge again I think that someone has got the wrong end of that. A cartridge made for a 3" chamber will load and fire in a 3" chamber regardless of whether it is crimped or rolled turn over and whatever make of gun it is. Gun manufactures and cartridge manufacturers have to comply with agreed international standards. They don’t just turn out stuff any old size. If you have a problem then you should get someone that knows what they are talking about to look at what you are doing before you have an accident. How can someone say that you can't fire a three inch cartridge in a 3 inch chamber? what else is anyone going to shoot them in? It dont matter what the make they are, all makes are the same size for the chambers that they are made to fit. you can fit a shorter cartridge in a 3 inch chamber but not a 3inch in a 2-1/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) What does the detail on the cartridge box actually give the length of the cartridges to be? I just had a mesure up and an unfired 2" (fourten ) Cartridge is aprox 1-15/16 or 48m/m. and A 2-1/2" (fourlong ) is 2-5/16 or 59m/m long. The fourlong case is marked up as 2-1/2 chamber. I would have thought that your gun would have been chambered for the fourlong but it will be stamped onto the barrel. I think that someone has got the wrong end of that. A cartridge made for a 3" chamber will load and fire in a 3" chamber regardless of whether it is crimped or rolled turn over and whatever make of gun it is. Gun manufactures and cartridge manufacturers have to comply with agreed international standards. They dont just turn out stuff any old size. If you have a problem then you should get someone that knows what they are talking about to look at what you are doing before you have an accident. How can someone say that you can't fire a three inch cartridge in a 3 inch chamber? what else is anyone going to shoot them in? It dont matter what the make they are, all makes are the same size for the chambers that they are made to fit. you can fit a shorter cartridge in a 3 inch chamber but not a 3inch in a 2-1/2. A very good and sensible reply 👍 Edited August 31, 2016 by browning123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I totally agree with you just got board with dealing with eley so just got them swopped with the four longs and left it at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) Remember they do not make the cartridge case to be reloaded they are made to shoot once and throw away , I have reloaded 410 for many years and have noticed that when the plastic thins out after 2/3 reload's or is a new (cheap) manufactured case it will do the same as your picture with a burnt/frazzled case mouth, it all depends on what type/mixture of plastic they used to make the case and it can vary from batch to batch. Edited August 31, 2016 by Andy H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 My experience of this problem is that it is fibre wad type cartridges, which eley are, which suffer this problem. eley website claim they are the only manufacture of fibre wad .410 which is not true so may be the manufactures use different type or make of fibre wads and some are susceptible to this problem. Eley used to be a great cartridge manufacture but sadly the misleading information on their website and from what has been posted under this topic shows they are losing their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 They all do it with a rolled turnover... If your worried go and buy some Express 65mm 14g plastic wads and try them They all do it with a rolled turnover... If your worried go and buy some Express 65mm 14g plastic wads and try them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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