Hatsan Escort Suprememax - Cartridge Jam

[Wanderer78]

Hey Guy's,

 

Looking for some help / advice, I've recently purchased the above gun, but so far am suffering a cartridge jam 1 out of every 10 shot's, the shop I purchased the gun from suggested that I might need to try a few different cartridges before i found one the gun would cycle correctly.

 

I have only tried the cartridges that I already had that were bought a long, long time ago, and the gun jams with them, the shot fires OK and the spent cartridge is ejected fine, but the new round from the magazine kicks out slightly and causes the mechanism to lock up!

 

Is this a cartridge issue or other? and can anyone suggest a tried and tested fibre 28 gram cartridge for this gun?

 

The Cartridges I have are:

 

D&J 12g, Fibre, 28 gram, 7.5 shot, 67.5 mm Case Length

 

Thanks

[Duckandswing]

Throw a hull superfast in there.

[eastdevon]

Try a express power red there 27g fibre on 7.5shot, is what I use in mine and so far (touching wood) never had any problems. Even my hatsan pump action loves them!!

[Trippyhippy]

I use Fiocchi TTone's in mine not had a problem.

[Harry136]

When i had a Hatsan, it would only cycle 70mm cartridges, everything else it would jam.

[TDS]

Sounds more like a magazine latch problem and not cartridges

Firing a cartridge , any make , should not , as you put it, make a cartridge in the magazine kick out slightly

Check the nose tip of the latch for wear

[Glenlivet]

70mm cartridges required. Should work a treat then.

[clakk]

70mm all day ,had my hatstand 3 years now never misses a beat.Wont put anything shorter than 70mm through, 67 is hit n miss ,65mm is a no no.And always clean the gas holes with a bottle brush or pipe cleaner atb

[Wanderer78]

Sounds more like a magazine latch problem and not cartridges

Firing a cartridge , any make , should not , as you put it, make a cartridge in the magazine kick out slightly

Check the nose tip of the latch for wear

 

There shouldn't be any wear in the latch the gun is a couple of weeks old having been bought brand new.

 

Its the brass end of the cartridge that is kicking out slightly and causing the jam.

[Wanderer78]

Guys, thanks for the help, I'll go get some 70mm cartridges and see how I get on.

[Cant hit them all]

If its a 3.5 inch chamber gun you need 70mm minimum. The hatsan 3.5 inch cambered guns are designed for heavy wildfowling loads of 3inch and 3.5 inch. So you may need to find a punchy 70mm to minimize the jamming issues.

[Guest]

Id take it back if it were me. Seriously, you shouldn't have to go round finding the right cartridges, it just doesn't work properly.

[motty]

I feel any semi automatic shotgun should be able to cycle pretty much any load put through it.

[GingerCat]

They should buy often don't. 70mm length and you should be fine.

[Cant hit them all]

I'm not bashing any brand of gun but some of the cheaper semi auto guns can be a bit cartridges fussy so I was told by a few local gun shops. But then again I have a bottom end buget semi and it's works fine with 65mm 28g with out a hitch

[mossy835]

70mm cartridges required. Should work a treat then.

+1

[subsonicnat]

We have been down this road many times..

If it 3.5" chamber don't expect to fire 21grm cartridges,For it was made to shoot very heavy loads.

If on the other hand you bought an Auto the takes 2:3/4" yes you can fire lighter loads..

Its all horses for courses,,The return spring is much Stronger in the 3.5" than the other chambers..

My Hatsan when I ha it never missed a Beat,,BUT,,it was for wildfowling..

If you want to shoot smaller loads,,I believe the importers actualy can supply a lighter spring to assist in that,,3.5" is NOT a Clay Weapon by any means..

[nagantino]

As I have found out, fibre wad is part of your problem. Try 30 gram or 32 gram cartridges fora while and let us know how you get on. Name the cartridges and the gram weight.

[super sharp shooter]

Most semi auto's don't like cartridges below 70mm

[jonny thomas]

My escort won't cycle anything under 68mm

Gamebore hv's go well through it not had a single problem with them except getting the shot and target in the same place at the same time

[motty]

We have been down this road many times..

If it 3.5" chamber don't expect to fire 21grm cartridges,For it was made to shoot very heavy loads.

If on the other hand you bought an Auto the takes 2:3/4" yes you can fire lighter loads..

Its all horses for courses,,The return spring is much Stronger in the 3.5" than the other chambers..

My Hatsan when I ha it never missed a Beat,,BUT,,it was for wildfowling..

If you want to shoot smaller loads,,I believe the importers actualy can supply a lighter spring to assist in that,,3.5" is NOT a Clay Weapon by any means..

My good old Beretta Xtrema fires clay loads all day long without fault. I believe all semis should be able to achieve this.

[db135]

My old escort was bought new in 2012 would cycle any thing only thing it didn't like was 21gram 65mm hulls a no there's good and bad ones a must have had a good one couldn't knock it only sold it as Mrs bought me a new sx3 in Feb for 40th birthday present well once a started using that the escort just felt fiddly to load compared to winchester

[Wanderer78]

My good old Beretta Xtrema fires clay loads all day long without fault. I believe all semis should be able to achieve this.

The information supplied with this gun states that it will cycle all 12G loads of 24g upwards.

 

There is no direct statement in the instructions stating cartridge size of 70mm + only, however when you look at the load size illustration on the box it only shows cartridges of 70mm and above.

Edited September 26, 2016 by Wanderer78

[figgy]

All the 3 1/2" Hatsans are known to be cartridge fussy with lighter clay carts and dont cycle anything less than 70mm. A few lads i know had them only one still shoots his.

[super sharp shooter]

I had a Browning Fusion a few years ago and that was so cartridge fussy so i decided to move it on back to the gun shop. My view is that all semi's should shoot all cartridges but in reality they don't. Now i own a Fabarm xlr and that will shoot any cartridge that is 70mm so I'm happy with this semi.