impala59 Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 We have many beautiful guns displayed on this forum and I, like probably everyone, really enjoy seeing the quality and craftsmanship evident in these superb possessions. I appreciate the fine woodwork and engraving and lust after these guns as much as anyone........ However, I also really enjoy PSG and Mini rifle competition shooting and whilst modifying and trying to improve my equipment within a limited budget I have allowed function to dictate form on two of my guns. Its very rewarding and frustrating in equal measures when things work (or don't!) but I must say that creating something unique to me has its own reward. (especially when it does work!) I have a rule that I never break, I do not interfere with high pressure areas, I never drill, file or cut into the firearm and all mods must be removable so as to return to standard if I should desire. The picture shows my Valtro PM5 pump action box-fed 12g and my Sabatti 1822 sporter both modified to a specific purpose, and this is how they came out. Both have been labelled as seriously ugly by respected forum members and I suppose they have a point, but who thinks their own creations are ugly? My question is this; are these the ugliest guns on the forum? or do you have a real Quasimodo in your cabinet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 You have me beaten there! lol The nearest I can come is a standard composite stocked Mossberg 500 20 bore. I'm thinking of tweaking it a bit - does anyone use a 20 for PSG? I wouldn't mind giving it a try but I'm not aware of anywhere that does it near me in North Yorkshire. All my other guns are fairly traditional other than my Blaser clay guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Sorry to say: Both are uglier than my MP153, even with it's shell catcher mounted... However... Do they work? Form follows function! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Sorry to say: Both are uglier than my MP153, even with it's shell catcher mounted... However... Do they work? Form follows function! Have had some problems with the shotgun as changed the mag procedure from rock and lock to straight insert but am just about there now, currently working on a prettier mag-well without all the hex bolts The .22 is only bolt on extras and home made stock, functioning remains unaltered You have me beaten there! lol The nearest I can come is a standard composite stocked Mossberg 500 20 bore. I'm thinking of tweaking it a bit - does anyone use a 20 for PSG? I wouldn't mind giving it a try but I'm not aware of anywhere that does it near me in North Yorkshire. All my other guns are fairly traditional other than my Blaser clay guns. No reason why 20g should not be used (except maybe price?) I am sure there are some good PSG clubs in your part of the world (google 4 islands as a start point, UKPSA, NRA ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagantino Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Well jeezzz. But even ugly guns need lovin. I mean after a few pints .......it's only fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Any clubs near Bristol ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 No gun is ugly. They are different. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Would they be anymore effective or accurate if they had an exhibition piece of Turkish walnut stock or a ton of 24 ct gold inlayed into the action? naahh. I have seen blokes with £20.000 guns that cant hit the birds coming over in droves and on the other side of the coin a lad with a battered Baikal with a pile in front and a pile behind. If you are happy with them and you take out the targets then that’s all that counts. If anyone gets a bit sniffy over you using them then tell them to look the other way and then they wont be offended. Probably the most ugly and fence post gun that I own is an Investarm in 28 bore. It is as new and I bought it with a load of other stuff at an auction. It goes bang and stuff falls down and you would never wear the barrels out in several lifetimes but it is one ugly beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 No gun is ugly. They are different. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Would they be anymore effective or accurate if they had an exhibition piece of Turkish walnut stock or a ton of 24 ct gold inlayed into the action? naahh. I have seen blokes with £20.000 guns that cant hit the birds coming over in droves and on the other side of the coin a lad with a battered Baikal with a pile in front and a pile behind. If you are happy with them and you take out the targets then that’s all that counts. If anyone gets a bit sniffy over you using them then tell them to look the other way and then they wont be offended. Probably the most ugly and fence post gun that I own is an Investarm in 28 bore. It is as new and I bought it with a load of other stuff at an auction. It goes bang and stuff falls down and you would never wear the barrels out in several lifetimes but it is one ugly beast. Not ugly, just functional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Any clubs near Bristol ? http://www.ukpsa.co.uk/club-finder.html Have a look. I think there is a cowboy action shooting club near Bristol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I felt sorry for it and was going to take it to the friends shoot yesterday afternoon but I had loaded up 20 & 12 bore lead instead of 28 and as I was a bit pushed for time It was put away again. I shoot well enough with it but it is a bit of a camel. No offence to you if you are a camel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I can never find anything 'Black' or box fed as ugly Was 'in the cabinet' yesterday with a revo tactical- 10/22 takedown with skeleton stock and 50rnd drum, then my new fav of a UTAS xtr12 with 10rnd mags, flip up sights,tactical scope and picatinny mounted fire-grip Back at home number two and just browsed my other 'black' numbers in .243, 12g short barrel and .300 winmag all tarted up. Just can't help myself :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Any pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 First three nope ( I should have read this thread earlier before I flew back) Second three, well I could if you need 'a fix' :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 http://www.blackmorevaleguns.co.uk/utas-xtr-12 It's one of these ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Those 2 should seriously consider suing their parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 First three nope ( I should have read this thread earlier before I flew back) Second three, well I could if you need 'a fix' :-) Fixed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Hi Not my thing really and you're right there ugly however horses for courses 😊😊 It's about doing the job and they certainly look like they will nothing like having a custom ( bespoke) gun 😊 All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) We have many beautiful guns displayed on this forum and I, like probably everyone, really enjoy seeing the quality and craftsmanship evident in these superb possessions. I appreciate the fine woodwork and engraving and lust after these guns as much as anyone........ However, I also really enjoy PSG and Mini rifle competition shooting and whilst modifying and trying to improve my equipment within a limited budget I have allowed function to dictate form on two of my guns. Its very rewarding and frustrating in equal measures when things work (or don't!) but I must say that creating something unique to me has its own reward. (especially when it does work!) I have a rule that I never break, I do not interfere with high pressure areas, I never drill, file or cut into the firearm and all mods must be removable so as to return to standard if I should desire. The picture shows my Valtro PM5 pump action box-fed 12g and my Sabatti 1822 sporter both modified to a specific purpose, and this is how they came out. Both have been labelled as seriously ugly by respected forum members and I suppose they have a point, but who thinks their own creations are ugly? My question is this; are these the ugliest guns on the forum? or do you have a real Quasimodo in your cabinet? ugly sisters.JPG Agree with you about looking at different types , would say any gun is ugly just wish I had the knowledge you guys have to attempted some off the stuff Edited November 22, 2016 by bullet1747 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Very tacti-cool. They're obviously not what you'd call pretty but they aren't ugly as such. Just modified for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Some say that the original Browning Auto5's are ugly I think they are lovely but here are my two old girls for you to decide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 In my view not the prettiest guns around, but in beautiful condition,I'm sure you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) And.............theres a couple of S1 doozies on holts sealed bid auction a 12g FN Model A5 and a 16g Remington model 11 for it seems very little money + loads in the S2 listing Edited November 26, 2016 by impala59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 In my view not the prettiest guns around, but in beautiful condition,I'm sure you enjoy them! Yes indeed they are very much enjoyed. I use them regularly and they make great hide guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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