ShootingEgg Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I know this has probably been done to death, but im a little miffed at the whole restricted / open ticket. Ive been asked to control some foxes, but the land is not cleared/ checked by my local force. This could take up to a month to happen, meaning I will more than likely lose the perm to someone with an open ticket. My force say that i have to prove my experience of shooting since I was eight. Back then i did rabbiting woth 410 and 22 and 12g when a little older on game. All with my grandad and his guns etc. The local force are asking me for a shooting log, a letter of experience and then checking how much ammo I buy to see how often I shoot. Is any of this actually a requirement or is it made up policy by my force!?? I have had my fac for 3 years now and my sgc for over 5. Just seems like a lot of hassle to get it open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Yes, I'm afraid it's all designed to restrict your activities with a gun as much as possible and an **** covering exercise to boot, none of which does anything to benefit public safety. You could contact your shooting organisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Yes, I'm afraid it's all designed to restrict your activities with a gun as much as possible and an **** covering exercise to boot, none of which does anything to benefit public safety. You could contact your shooting organisation. Thanks for the prompt and to the point answer Is very annoying when I have people I cant help out, contacting me as they know im safe and dont pull trigger unless I feel it is safe to do so. And i wont just go in and wipe out everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpy22 Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Get the farmer out of the tractor and use his gun. It is all a bit of a pain but on the other side of the coin there are people i have seen shooting i would not trust with a spudgun. If you need a hand pm me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Or find a local friend with an open ticket who can help you short term until the land is passed. What part of the country are you in? rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 It's nonsense dreamt up by a pen pusher in the firearms team. Get your shooting organisation onto it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 If the land has not been passed. Then how can anyone shoot on it. If i have read right what you have said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 If the land has not been passed. Then how can anyone shoot on it. If i have read right what you have said. An open ticket allows you to shoot on any land you feel is safe, its yoir call to make. Restricted means you are only allowed to shoot on land the cheif officer deams safe at certain calibre. So some land will be max 22 others 270 and some only from elevated position, back of truck or high seat etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 An open ticket allows you to shoot on any land you feel is safe, its yoir call to make. Restricted means you are only allowed to shoot on land the cheif officer deams safe at certain calibre. So some land will be max 22 others 270 and some only from elevated position, back of truck or high seat etc this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) If the land has not been passed. Then how can anyone shoot on it. If i have read right what you have said. If the land has never been checked and cleared for a calibre, someone with a "closed" ticket would have to get the land checked before he can shoot there. The police will eventually, grudgingly come out and do it, but usually at glacial speed. As above, if the shooter has an "open" ticket, the land doesn't have to be cleared first. Edited April 12, 2017 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 I know this has probably been done to death, but im a little miffed at the whole restricted / open ticket. Ive been asked to control some foxes, but the land is not cleared/ checked by my local force. This could take up to a month to happen, meaning I will more than likely lose the perm to someone with an open ticket. My force say that i have to prove my experience of shooting since I was eight. Back then i did rabbiting woth 410 and 22 and 12g when a little older on game. All with my grandad and his guns etc. The local force are asking me for a shooting log, a letter of experience and then checking how much ammo I buy to see how often I shoot. Is any of this actually a requirement or is it made up policy by my force!?? I have had my fac for 3 years now and my sgc for over 5. Just seems like a lot of hassle to get it open. You will look back at posts like yours in a few years time and smile, just be patient and hassle em with lots of different parcels of land. Better still if the badger cull is in your area sign up ( QUIETLY THOUGH), you will get your ticket opened up pretty pronto then,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 You will look back at posts like yours in a few years time and smile, just be patient and hassle em with lots of different parcels of land. Better still if the badger cull is in your area sign up ( QUIETLY THOUGH), you will get your ticket opened up pretty pronto then,. Well im in an area that it is in force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Just called with three lots of land for them to check. All three are clear up to deer calibre. Thats a bit vague. As anything above 220 is technically deer calibre depending on what your going after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 While it is a bit vague, you have the answer you need. Anything that you are likely to need to shoot on the land is fine. Don't take the proverbial and grab a 375 H&H (even though technically it is a great big deer caliber). rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 While it is a bit vague, you have the answer you need. Anything that you are likely to need to shoot on the land is fine. Don't take the proverbial and grab a 375 H&H (even though technically it is a great big deer caliber). rick Don't be so silly, that would just tickle em, you should really be looking at 416 nitro or 50 bmag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 It's nonsense dreamt up by a pen pusher in the firearms team. Get your shooting organisation onto it. Spoke to basc. Basically I have to do as the force asks. Shooting log and letter, also get the people i shoot with to write in to say I am safe etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstenson123 Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Do what I did , I got a few perms but only sent 1 at a time in to be checked, when they cleared it I sent another one to them to check, then another one & another one & then they opened up my ticket!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Thats the same as what i did kept sending perms thay soon gave me open ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 There must be some right awkward forces out there, I never sent in any land requests to be cleared just asked my force nicely and they opened my fac after 9 months. Been that way for years now and that was for rf and cf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 You will look back at posts like yours in a few years time and smile, just be patient and hassle em with lots of different parcels of land. Better still if the badger cull is in your area sign up ( QUIETLY THOUGH), you will get your ticket opened up pretty pronto then,. mmmm or maybe a special arrangement for clearance on allocated farms post licence. Spoke to basc. Basically I have to do as the force asks. Shooting log and letter, also get the people i shoot with to write in to say I am safe etc I am doing the same. I have maybe 20 areas of land cleared. Some within days some taking four months. None of it refused. I have land, cleared, not cleared, waiting for clearance, waiting for farmer to sign, cleared to some calibre but not another. I was originally told the land is cleared for the largest (?) calibre. Having revisited some I know that only happens on occasion depending which officer does the inspection. Land is often not found and I have to try several names to identify it. It's a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 There must be some right awkward forces out there, I never sent in any land requests to be cleared just asked my force nicely and they opened my fac after 9 months. Been that way for years now and that was for rf and cf. My force wouldn't even consider that. I get why they do it, but its a massive faff, and as BASC said, the HO guidelines are so vague the forces can say and do what they want due to interpretation of said guidlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 We can all quote from the home office guidelines but they are just that. I think the most disgruntled are the new to the world of rifles, they want the biggest calibre they can get and have opened conditions to use it but looking back on my early days my advice is ' just learn to walk before you try to run'. I've had my problems with Gloucestershire in the early days but now years have passed I look back and can understand some of their issues. How much would you like to know about a complete stranger before you gave him a gun and what restrictions would you insist on? And as for the police making up the law, well to a point they can, if your FEO decided he would let have 100rnds of a certain calibre and you disagreed and collected more than were on your license and had a spot check I think the law would not be on your side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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