mossy835 Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 i would not have bought it in that state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 i would not have bought it in that state. I would not have sold it in that state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 It has a value - chokes, action, woodwork, forend metal work, ejectors, hammers, firing pins, hammers, springs etc. The barrels look like scrap to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1440 Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Nope! Proof is to do with bore diameter, pitting on the outside of the barrels does not affect proof. I'm sure where the barrel has been compramised it will take it out of proof. If they can be rescued by a competant gunsmith they will be sent off for re proof. I'm pretty sure I would want them to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) Just one of the specifications from the original proof is the the bore diameter and that is probably not changed but the wall thickness has in the area that is the thinnest has ,The threads where multichoke insert has been machined , I am pretty sure that if sent to one of the proof houses it will fail proof on the visual inspection before any test firing. Besides using the wall thickness test gear utilising a dial gauge rig any areas of pitting that the individual pits cannot be measured as the dial gauge ball is not fine enough an ultrasonic wall thickness unit will be used and that will pick up small pit defects. Edited July 23, 2017 by Andy H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasabi Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Could you not just buy a new set of barrels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 A shotgun barrel is 'out of proof'.........and requires submission for reproof.....and is consequently illegal to sell if..... The bore diameter exceeds its measurement at proof by more than 10thou. The chamber has been lengthened. Subsequent to proof the barrel has had screw in chokes fitted. It is proved only for black powder and nitro is intended to be used. Assuming none of the above apply, the gun is still 'in proof' and as such legal to sell! Internal and external pitting, dents, bulges, rivells etc in a barrel would more than likely result in a barrel being rejected on inspection, by the proofmaster........IF someone chose to submit it for reproof, but there is no legal obligation to do so! That is my understanding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swotty Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 ot a good idea to put people's contact details on an open forum. You might want to delete the post and message the OP directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugs Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) ot a good idea to put people's contact details on an open forum. You might want to delete the post and message the OP directly. Second that, that address needs removing ASAP. err i'd go banana's if that were my address on a public forum, esp with fraud going onall over and potential address of SGH holder and so forth Edited July 24, 2017 by Pugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 I have hidden the name and address, However, If the member whose name and address it is, doesn't mind it being posted then please get in touch with a Mod and it can be reinstated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Could you not just buy a new set of barrels? hello, having a 525 myself and knowing the cost new and second hand if the OP purchased at a price that reflected the damadge i would consider as Wasabi stated and see if a new set of barrels could be the way to go, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Arms previously proved and bearing apparently valid proof marks are deemed unproved if the barrels have been enlarged in the bore beyond certain defined limits or if the barrel or action has been materially weakend in other respects. This is from http://www.gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 New barrels are around £1000 to order from BWM last time I checked and a very long wait time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Arms previously proved and bearing apparently valid proof marks are deemed unproved if the barrels have been enlarged in the bore beyond certain defined limits or if the barrel or action has been materially weakend in other respects. This is from http://www.gunproof.com/Proofing/proofing.html We are discussing barrels, actions are another matter! Can you please itemise what the proof house defines as "materially weakened in other respects"......I have done so in my posting #32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 We are discussing barrels, actions are another matter! Can you please itemise what the proof house defines as "materially weakened in other respects"......I have done so in my posting #32 Andy H's quote says barrels or action materially weakened so it is relevant to the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) Andy H's quote says barrels or action materially weakened so it is relevant to the topic. I beg to differ...the original posting (and what I was commenting on) was regarding rusty barrels on the particular gun in question, so material weaknesses in gun actions, in this instance are not relevant! Edited July 24, 2017 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1440 Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Whatever the reg say. I'd apply some common sense and get repaired by a trained gunsmith or at least GET IT RE PROOFED. And be confident in at being able to count ten after shooting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedraker Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Sorry for the delay but I thought I'd better update with the full story and ending, I bought it from an online gun auction for a good price had it have been a good one! It only had a brief description, and I probably should have phoned for a condition report. They agreed the faults should have been listed and offered a refund, I asked for a partial refund and I'd get it fixed myself. So as several people recommended I contacted barrel blacker on here. The guy is brilliant and done a fantastic job! See photos! I now have a lovely gun at a good price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, weedraker said: Sorry for the delay but I thought I'd better update with the full story and ending, I bought it from an online gun auction for a good price had it have been a good one! It only had a brief description, and I probably should have phoned for a condition report. They agreed the faults should have been listed and offered a refund, I asked for a partial refund and I'd get it fixed myself. So as several people recommended I contacted barrel blacker on here. The guy is brilliant and done a fantastic job! See photos! I now have a lovely gun at a good price. So the barrels didn't require submission for reproof after all? Well done for taking a punt and getting it back into nice condition....enjoy your new gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelblacker Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 I'm pleased you are happy with them Michael. All the best Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Cracking job That! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Was it a trade secret as to how he filled in the pits? Great looking job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Whilst I am full of admiration for Dan's work, Earlier in the thread, I said that the barrels were scrap. In a nutshell, that is why Dan does brilliant work and I can't get a grip as to just how he does it. I am content to look in awe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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