keg Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 A good friend has invited me on a driven shoot for a couple of days at the end of September. I've shot walked up but never driven and have been asvised that= A loader woul be a good idea ( agree) Some people are double gunning. My usual Gun is a Beretta 30" my spare is a 28". What cartridgse would people reccommend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Don't know but YOU LUCKY BEGGER 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Sorry had PC problems. THanks IPS, he is a very kind and generous guy. I haven't double gunned before, best to stick to single dues to differing barrell sizes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Lucky chap. If there are good numbers of grouse, and by that I mean if the bag is going to be 80 brace plus, then double gunning is probably essential. Don't be tempted to take anything other than your usual gun(s). As for cartridges, the ones you are used to would be best, especially if they are 28 or 30 grams of no.6 shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Yes,,Have shot driven grouse with only one gun,,unless you right at the beginning of the shooting days,The grouse have broken up quite a bit,you can get by with one gun.. If you do have double gunning,remember you have topay the loader,come bearer as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 A good friend has invited me on a driven shoot for a couple of days at the end of September. I've shot walked up but never driven and have been asvised that= A loader woul be a good idea ( agree) Some people are double gunning. My usual Gun is a Beretta 30" my spare is a 28". What cartridgse would people reccommend If you are shooting driven game at the end of September it would be Partridge only and I would of thought French ( Red Legs ) and not English . As for a loader , We have a lot of Partridge shoots ( 150 to 200 bird days ) and very rare someone will bring a loader , so depending on what size day it is I don't think I would bother about a loader , unless your girlfriend / wife want to do the loading , having said that , if you were lucky enough to be using double guns then you would need somebody who know what to do as changing guns over can be dangerous , Use what gun you are more used to and happy with , and the choice of cartridge would be any 28 or 30 grams game cartridge in 6s or 7s. GOOD LUCK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Sorry I didn't read the heading of your post. Totally different ball game , never seen a Grouse let alone shot one . Let us know the outcome . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I will load for you, usual rates apply 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Go with the loader and use your usual guns. I would suggest you practice your handling skills before you go, with someone who has loading experience. Second best would be to get someone to stuff for you. Most importantly, enjoy your day you lucky so and so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) A good friend has invited me on a driven shoot for a couple of days at the end of September. I've shot walked up but never driven and have been asvised that= A loader woul be a good idea ( agree) Some people are double gunning. My usual Gun is a Beretta 30" my spare is a 28". What cartridgse would people reccommend I quad gunned one day in october 2012 at a club we both know, be a walk in the park Edited July 23, 2017 by Rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 If you are shooting driven game at the end of September it would be Partridge only and I would of thought French ( Red Legs ) and not English . As for a loader , We have a lot of Partridge shoots ( 150 to 200 bird days ) and very rare someone will bring a loader , so depending on what size day it is I don't think I would bother about a loader , unless your girlfriend / wife want to do the loading , having said that , if you were lucky enough to be using double guns then you would need somebody who know what to do as changing guns over can be dangerous , Use what gun you are more used to and happy with , and the choice of cartridge would be any 28 or 30 grams game cartridge in 6s or 7s. GOOD LUCK. You would also need to know how to double gun. There are lots of loaders who know how to double Gun, not so may guns that know how to do it. Have a great day, and as always, be safe and enjoy yourself, you lucky Bxxxxxr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 They don't take a lot killing, any of your usual 28 to 30g will have them no problem. Another tip is not to get overawed by it ... they will want them shooting so get stuck in!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 You'll need a close composed pair personal 30" 28" wouldn't work. But single gunning with a good stuffer is as fast as a novice with double gun. Secondly I won't load double guns for someone on their first time on the moors as grouse is very different and I can't keep my novice gun safe double gunning I can stuffing. Cartridges I use supreme game 28 or 30 6 1/2 normally but last year used express driven grouse 29g 61/2. My main adivce make the most of it do to a shooting school with an instructor that teaches grouse shooting they will really help you with this different style of shooting and the safety aspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Agree with above, you be better with your preferred gun and a stuffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Welsh why would the different barrel lengths not suit double gunning? I've been asked to fill in loading on the grouse a few times but im no way an expert.(usually try to avoid it if i can) It might not be ideal but not sure why they wouldn't work if that is all u had.. Stuffing can be a dangerous thing for the stuffer with an over excited novice gun and get ur fingers nipped in breech By september time birds will be packing up as has been said, it will depend on the quality of the moor/grouse stocks, size of day how many packs u will get to shoot at per drive, so more often than not it might just be a very quick single change over and then a lull rather than a constant change overs unless ur very very lucky I would advise trying to practise on some similar clay targets or even doing some good days at decoying pigeons, sort of similar birds when coming at u further out, and if u know ur loader have a practise with him or even a mate justso u have a general idea how to do it Even is it possible to get out for a day beforehand just to watch/accompany ur mate or even get a day flanking u'll be close enough to the butts to see the shooting and wot to expect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I would not choose double gunning unless you have a pair of guns you can shoot well with! And you are confident that you know how to double gun! Two mismatched, differently handling guns could be a big problem......one light fast handling gun with open chokes that you shoot well with using 28 or 30 gram, 6's or 7's, fibre wad cartridge is what I would recommend, I personally prefer to have the butt to myself or share with a good friend or my son!...if there are no strangers (loaders etc) in the butt it takes a lot of distractions/pressure off!....staying calm is the hard part, as the sport can be fast, furious and very exciting! Be calm, positive and decisive, don't get flustered when they are teeming over you! You can't get em all so select your bird, when it falls pick another....there you go right and left!....reload and your ready for the next lot. Safety is all! Complicating things with double guns, loaders etc is for the more experienced guns! Enjoy the day, concentrate, again be calm.....and be safe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I would not choose double gunning unless you have a pair of guns you can shoot well with! And you are confident that you know how to double gun! Two mismatched, differently handling guns could be a big problem......one light fast handling gun with open chokes that you shoot well with using 28 or 30 gram, 6's or 7's, fibre wad cartridge is what I would recommend, I personally prefer to have the butt to myself or share with a good friend or my son!...if there are no strangers (loaders etc) in the butt it takes a lot of distractions/pressure off!....staying calm is the hard part, as the sport can be fast, furious and very exciting! Be calm, positive and decisive, don't get flustered when they are teeming over you! You can't get em all so select your bird, when it falls pick another....there you go right and left!....reload and your ready for the next lot. Safety is all! Complicating things with double guns, loaders etc is for the more experienced guns! Enjoy the day, concentrate, again be calm.....and be safe! Good post 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Welsh why would the different barrel lengths not suit double gunning? I've been asked to fill in loading on the grouse a few times but im no way an expert.(usually try to avoid it if i can) It might not be ideal but not sure why they wouldn't work if that is all u had.. Stuffing can be a dangerous thing for the stuffer with an over excited novice gun and get ur fingers nipped in breech By september time birds will be packing up as has been said, it will depend on the quality of the moor/grouse stocks, size of day how many packs u will get to shoot at per drive, so more often than not it might just be a very quick single change over and then a lull rather than a constant change overs unless ur very very lucky I would advise trying to practise on some similar clay targets or even doing some good days at decoying pigeons, sort of similar birds when coming at u further out, and if u know ur loader have a practise with him or even a mate justso u have a general idea how to do it Even is it possible to get out for a day beforehand just to watch/accompany ur mate or even get a day flanking u'll be close enough to the butts to see the shooting and wot to expect The guns will handle differently and will not aid good shooting. I'm full aware about stuffing and fingers I bare the scars but double gunning is not simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I have been lucky so far as no gun has got me fingers ... Yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) The guns will handle differently and will not aid good shooting. I'm full aware about stuffing and fingers I bare the scars but double gunning is not simple. Fair play i can see it not helping ur aim etc, but it would still be possible. i'm sure i've loaded slightly different O/U in the past, Will really depend wether the person can make allowances for it or would prefer just a stuffer. Possibly the size of expected bag might make a difference, possibly a smaller bag i'd go for double guns as birds/packs may be thiner on the ground so will let u get more lead in the air at the packs/birds that are safe. bt i can see the counter argument about less lead in air but better aimed Possibly if u always shot with 1 paticular gun first (infront) and the 2nd behind as chances are u will get a lot of 4 rapid shots as a pack pass then a lull to reorganise as shot behind/infront are quite different shots. Ask ur mate wot he does or others do on the moor as not really that many folk can afford a set of matching pairs I wouldn't worry too much either way u'll have a cracking memorable day which ever way u go Only a couple of saturdays left now till my 1st day on the moors, can't wait Edited July 23, 2017 by scotslad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I've loaded for a mixed sbs OU pair but doesn't mean he shot well!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I quad gunned one day in october 2012 at a club we both know, be a walk in the park If it's the one i think it was, i was there. Was a pleasure to watch you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 Would i be better using another 30" even thiough it;'s not Berretta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) I have 4 back to back days in August double gunning on my bosses grouse moor. He uses a pair of full choked 20bores (Aspreys) and 25g felt 7's. Some drives we will use 250 cartridges or more. Personally I'd advise a novice uses a single gun with a stuffer. Grouse moor money is £100 for loader and £70 for stuffer. Remeber your butt sticks! As WW says try find a instructor who teaches Grouse shooting style and tactics. Edited July 23, 2017 by dodeer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Was just thinking about this while out with the dogs (not jealous at all much ) I'd say the others are probably right and u would probably be better with another 30" gun providing it fits u. But i'd stil even take my other gun, possibly start of stuffing to get ur confidence/safety awareness up, but esp if it not the usual i would have a wee go at doube gunning just to say u have done it in a grouse butt even if for only 1/2 a drive. Not many folk can say they have done it I'd also take the other guns for back up just incase something happens to ur main gun (it does happen) If u've got 2 guns there it gives u the option (and back up) bu as most have said ur probably be better single gunning and stuffing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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