al4x Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 The thing is it's close to what he already has with one big difference its legal for Roe and above. The others are effectively useless for Roe, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 The thing is it's close to what he already has with one big difference its legal for Roe and above. The others are effectively useless for Roe, .708 close to .222 and 204 ruger? And the other two were not directed to the OP but to Dougy who posted about 3006 and 9.3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 Please can we stop using the word "overkill". It's just not appropriate when debating the differences between a .243 or 6.5 Swede, which are not that different in the grand scheme of things. I shoot muntys with my .308, I never think it's caused too much damage to them. .243 or a 6.5 are fine for Roe, occasional or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 I shoot muntys with my .308, I never think it's caused too much damage to them. I bet the muntjac disagree though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 243.......chav gun? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted September 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 243.......chav gun? yeah but no but!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I don't like the .243 much but for what you want to do it's spot on. It'll kill a red with a well placed shot if you ever need to, but from talking to you I doubt you ever will. I love my 6.5 but it's harder to find ammo for, costs a bit more and rifles aren't as easy to come by. Don't let the mod issue be a factor though. Check with the importer - my Ase is a .25 and that's fine on my 6.5. On the manufacturers say so I should add, not me pushing my luck. I'd love to tell you to get a 6.5x55. It's better and I like it much more. But in this case I don't think it matters. Your .222 would do the job just fine if it was legal. It is legal if you travel a bit further north! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Don't let the mod issue be a factor though. Check with the importer - my Ase is a .25 and that's fine on my 6.5. On the manufacturers say so I should add, not me pushing my luck. Mine seam to squeeze through OK,,,,, mind you i do need to check its on tight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted September 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 think i may go 243 and if i can find one that likes heavier soft points for roe and lighter vmax for fox then triple may go colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 About twice as many rounds from a pound of powder for the .222 when compared to .243 i know its not a massive consideration but it is a fact and at £80 a kilo it depends how deep your pockets are if its a concern or not to you just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted September 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 About twice as many rounds from a pound of powder for the .222 when compared to .243 i know its not a massive consideration but it is a fact and at £80 a kilo it depends how deep your pockets are if its a concern or not to you just saying. mmmm yes i know where your coming from, and i do love my .222 it's a tack driver with my new reloads colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 The .243 is a lot more versatile. But if you already have a fox rifle then why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 mmmm yes i know where your coming from, and i do love my .222 it's a tack driver with my new reloads colin And Bullets too again just saying. Never being shy of controversy my take on the .243 is that it is not enough for deer and too much for fox not just about the ballistics but as touched on the economics in use the more you think about the .222 the more you realise its an incredible round, and just as accurate today as it was on its introduction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tford Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I'm looking at the same dilemma, and just decided to go .243 on the variation for an odd roe, fallow or muntjac. It'll mostly be for fox, but I wanted to have one decent gun and scope rather than multiple cheaper setups. If I do a little more stalking later on then it'll probably still be fine... I may later regret it but it'll still do the job! Good shot with one gun, or not so good with a handful?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 And Bullets too again just saying. Never being shy of controversy my take on the .243 is that it is not enough for deer and too much for fox not just about the ballistics but as touched on the economics in use the more you think about the .222 the more you realise its an incredible round, and just as accurate today as it was on its introduction. Depends on the Deer surely? For Roe or Muntjac 100 grains of .243 is plenty enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted September 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 i take plenty of munty and cwd with my .222 and they drop fine so would of thought a .243 would be fine with roe ?? colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 i take plenty of munty and cwd with my .222 and they drop fine so would of thought a .243 would be fine with roe ?? colin A 243 is more than enough for roe, if you cant cleanly kill a roe deer with a 243 you need to think about taking up another hobby. Choose either calibre Colin they will both do the job you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Depends on the Deer surely? For Roe or Muntjac 100 grains of .243 is plenty enough. As i said in the post not just the ballistics , and its my take on the .243 i happen to feel the case is not ideal sized. in 6mms there are better options how i see things. 244.. 6mm rem is just 1 example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 As i said in the post not just the ballistics , and its my take on the .243 i happen to feel the case is not ideal sized. in 6mms there are better options how i see things. 244.. 6mm rem is just 1 example. Well a .243 has better ballistics at realistic ranges than a .308 and has more than enough power with 100 grains so i don't know where you are coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 Well a .243 has better ballistics at realistic ranges than a .308 and has more than enough power with 100 grains so i don't know where you are coming from? Better and realistic are open to debate perhaps, i set aside pure ballistics twice this is a third time. I thats ME! i feel the .243 is not ideal in the 6mms its outclassed by more efficient 6mm rounds like the PPC and the BR as Varminters and as Hunting round the 6mm rem as the capacity to handle 100 grain bullets with lower pressures. As for the .308 paper balistics aside for versatility it as a broader range of uses than the .243 could ever dream undertaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 i take plenty of munty and cwd with my .222 and they drop fine so would of thought a .243 would be fine with roe ?? colin More than fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Well a .243 has better ballistics at realistic ranges than a .308 and has more than enough power with 100 grains so i don't know where you are coming from? Not really sure I understand that remark...what is it meant to mean? If by closer range, typical of most deer shooting scenarios, then no, 243 does not have "better ballistics" because there's nothing in it between the two. It comes into it's own, ballistically, for longer range paper punching or foxing where a slightly flatter trajectory due to higher BC bullets plus higher Mvs are the case. That advantage disappears at most "realistic" foxing ranges where you use something like a 110gr varminting round driven hard from a .308. Its marginal at best, so no, the 243 has little advantage other than marginally flatter trajectory further out, but will have lower recoil. Once can (and many will) argue that the pressure cavity formed by the shock wave of a 243 smashing into something small like a munty will cause significantly more meat bruising than a heavier 308 slug fired at much lower velocities. Both will kill any deer or fox just as dead, but the heavier bullet going slower may leave you with more useable carcass. neither will probably leave you with as much useable carcass though as the venerable old 6.5 x 55 swede, which would still be my choice as it can in modern chamberings be loaded pretty hot and make for a flat shooting foxing round. As a pure foxing gun with perhaps the occasional deer, 243 makes some sense, but then so does 223! If you want to keep more of the deer, I'd say it's more open to debate but the 308 has advantages, and the high sectional density/penetration of the 6.5 even travelling a slower than a 243, also has advantages. What matters is that you pick the one you prefer shooting most. All will do the job but if you don't like shooting the rifle or can't get on with it, then it all becomes a bit academic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikka6mmbr Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 I've had and shot both The swede wins my vote EVERY time For multiple reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXHUNTER1 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 243 is ideal for roe FACT. I have shot hundreds with mine along with Red, Sika , Fallow , Muntjac , CWD , Goats , and loads of foxes . For the occasional roe it is perfect. I would only go larger if I was shooting the bigger species on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 243 is ideal for roe FACT. So are plenty of other calibres FACT 👅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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