deejay Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) An incident occurred a few weeks ago to a friend of mine who isn't on here, and he was approached by two guys , with two pitbullswho set about him , they attempted to take his gun off him but failed . Later he was told by certain member of the force that he was within his rights to use the gun in self defence. Seemingly one had a knuckle duster which he told me assumed was a knife at first , and with it being his rifle they tried to take , loading it would of took too long , as he always takes out the bolt and the mag .(puts them in side pocket of gunslip) By the way this happened in Bishop Auckland around next to the kynren .anyone else shoots around that area , please be cautious Edited October 4, 2017 by deejay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Thats a bit naughty, was it random or were they waiting for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazycooker Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I wouldve asked for that in writing for next time if it was too happen again (which I doubt he wouldve got) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted October 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Totally random ,he'd been out shooting and was on his way back to the car, gun was in his bag, they tried to grab it off him . He's saying that if they'd managed to get the gun(.22 rimfire) he can't imagine what they might of done with it . I wouldve asked for that in writing for next time if it was too happen again (which I doubt he wouldve got) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 He's saying that if they'd managed to get the gun(.22 rimfire) he can't imagine what they might of done with it . Not a lot really without the bolt and magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted October 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 I'm sure we're entitled to protect ourselves by any means of we fear for our lives , two blokes with knuckle dusters is pretty much up there with life threatening, but it's the idea of them actually getting hold of the gun ... The bolt and bullets were in the side pocket , as that's what I said ... so they were all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) We're all allowed to defend ourselves, as long as any actions we take are proportionate to the threat and necessary. Its up to the individual as to what actions they take to defend themselves. If the police decide it was the wrong action to take, its then up to the courts to decide. I can't comment on the situation described as its hard to judge without being there, but there's an old saying "better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6". Edited to say, I hope your friend was OK and not too shook up. Edited October 4, 2017 by stuartyboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 if he had used the gun, he could well of been in trouble,all depends on the courts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me matt Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Tough scenario that one.... My FEO told me - if threatened and you fear for your life to hand them over, not sure what I would do at that precise moment tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted October 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) So if threatened,you hand your gun over ...only to possibly be shot with it . I'm with Stuartboy on this. I agree it's a tough scenario , but have to say I'd happily take my chances with the courts , rather than thugs with a gun. They had previous convictions of robbery. Not that this makes any difference. Edited October 4, 2017 by deejay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Tough scenario that one.... My FEO told me - if threatened and you fear for your life to hand them over, not sure what I would do at that precise moment tbh. And then they kill you with your own gun, great advice from the feo? This question gets asked frequently, yes you can use your gun to defend yourself. Same way as you can use your fists, a knife, your car, a brick, anything. Regardless of whether you think it justified it won't stop you being arrested, ending up in court and having your fate decided upon by a jury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted October 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Forgot to mention, they had also tried to have there pitbulls set about and kill his dog, surely this just goes to show what type of scum they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me matt Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 And then they kill you with your own gun, great advice from the feo? His advice was obviously from a legal stand point, as I said I'm not sure what I would do in that situation....... and even if I was sure - I wouldn't post up my intent on a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Where the dogs called Walter and Mitty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted October 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Where the dogs called Walter and Mitty?Meaning ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Self defence, especially if your life is in danger. Yeh you will loose your certs for a while whilst it goes through court and what not but if you can prove that it was that or be killed, you can. Just not when they turn there back to you agree with tried by 12 than carried by 6. Hope he's ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry136 Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 If someone tries to grab an armed policemans gun, they are entitled to do anything to stop an individual from taking that weapon including shooting an unarmed assailant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted October 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Mixed views on this, which is what i expected . However he wasn't aware of what laws there were, with regards to this , I mean who would be , it's not a regular occurrence, he said he just froze, all he could do was pick his phone up and cal 999 ... they come at him again , wanting the gun, and threatening him , however soon backed off once they heard police on the other end of the phone. No one knows what there brains would tell them to do unless it actually happened to them .. we're all different and react differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Not a lot really without the bolt and magazine. Weren't they in the slip with the gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) At close range The rifle itself could be used as a weapon ( even still in the slip ) When on Live armed guard in the 80's we were told that a SLR butt to the face would stop someone almost as well as a 7.62 , with much less paperwork. Edited October 4, 2017 by wascal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Weren't they in the slip with the gun?Fair point. I must have missed that bit, but if so, I can't see the point of removing them from the gun. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 The only time I can think of that you would be able to shoot an attacker is when you are using the gun, if its in a slip you could only use it as a club. As for just handing over a gun to an attacker that doesn't sound like good advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just a point of interest, the law allows a pre emptive strike if the circumstances demand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just a point of interest, the law allows a pre emptive strike if the circumstances demand it. Yes officer, they looked threatening and had a big dog so I shot them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 No where did I say a pre emptive strike would be suitable in this particular case, but nonetheless, a pre emptive strike can be used in certain situations. Once again, its up to you to justify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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