grrclark Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 With respect this is incorrect. No person shall store more than 10kg regardless of how you split it. Fair enough, What if it is two people, belonging to the same household, and there are two storage locations? Is the quantity stored constrained by the location or the individual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Fair enough, What if it is two people, belonging to the same household, and there are two storage locations? Is the quantity stored constrained by the location or the individual? That's a good question. Leave it with me I will check with bro in law. I know that in the past on another forum I checked with him regarding splitting the 10kg in different locations and that was confirmed as a no, because the regulation dictates that its "no person" shall store etc etc but your question re two people storing 10kg each at same location is valid 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 The 600 limit was likely for solid slug which is limited to a specific number on your FAC (cannot be held on an SGC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Fair enough, What if it is two people, belonging to the same household, and there are two storage locations? Is the quantity stored constrained by the location or the individual? The wording of the Act indicates that the 10KG is a maximum for the site: the quantities referred to in that paragraph are the maximum quantities of the explosives they respectively relate to which may be present at a site at any one time. (3) (B) of the link above. I would think that for a normal domestic dwelling site would be taken as house and any outbuildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 It hasnt embarrassed me; I cant think why it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 The wording of the Act indicates that the 10KG is a maximum for the site: (3) (B) of the link above. I would think that for a normal domestic dwelling site would be taken as house and any outbuildings. Hmmmm, curious. So if two separate sites were in use then it is ok. I'm working on the premise that 10,000 in one room and 10,000 in another is not two separate sites, however it would be an interesting distinction to understand if a separate building within the same locale is considered 1 site or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 I'd be very wary of this "10,000 cartridges" that has crept into this thread. The law unfortunately isn't crystal clear. Someone once in internet land did a calculation based on the "no more than 15 kilograms of percussion caps or small arms ammunition or a mixture of them" and came up with 10,000 cartridges. But it is the amount of powder in those cartridges that counts and primers. So 15432 grains in a Kilogram. 15KG = 231480. 231480 divided by 10,000 = 23.2 grains which is a very light powder charge I believe. Chances are your cartridges (12 bore will contain more). Don't forget the original post, if they have reason to the Police will count everything, cartridges, rifle rounds, powder and primers. If you don't know the law (and it is confusing) that will be no excuse. I got it wrong above with 10KG, my apologies, that is the limit for shooters powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Gentlemen, the figure you are all speaking about is known as the Net Explosive Quantity and is roughly worked out to be the explosive content of 10000 28 gramme 12 bore cartridges. FEOs are usually only interested if you go way over the 10000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Has anyone ever been prosecuted for storing more than 15kg/10,000 shotgun cartridges before? Its Friday people, relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Do cartridges explode? We threw some in a fire once to see what would happen and they just fizzed; even metallic cased pistol cartridges were mightily unimpressive; a little pop and fizz and that was it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 They would come under the 1.4S category as they would not explode en mass, but would go off singly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Has anyone ever been prosecuted for storing more than 15kg/10,000 shotgun cartridges before? Its Friday people, relax. Yes, but I do not know the facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 I always in cases like this try to come down on the side of the gun owner , looking through the press hysteria and hype but sometimes you just can't offer up any sort of sensible defence , the man is a doughnut !! .. section 5 ..what can you offer up as a plausible explanation ..there is none ..he was lucky to get just a three stretch .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arm3000gt Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 They would come under the 1.4S category as they would not explode en mass, but would go off singly. Not quite true they would only be 1.4S in their manufacturers package for transport. Once removed from said package it no longer carries the 1.4S hazard classification code. Not that it really matters just a pedantic point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil w Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Do cartridges explode? We threw some in a fire once to see what would happen and they just fizzed; even metallic cased pistol cartridges were mightily unimpressive; a littler pop and fizz and that was it. Try that with black powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 The relevant act on ammunition storage is The Explosives Regulations 2014. This details how much you can store before an Explosives Licence is required. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014/1638/regulation/7/made OK . What I would like to see if something the layman shooter can understand. Along the lines of .........No more than 10K per person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 I have in excess of 5000 between 12ga and 20ga with varying loads and most lead, but a lot nonlead. Whether its a law, or a good practice/recommendation I am not sure , I have never been able to find official documented proof. There is a lot of logic about it being a requirement linked to explosives legislation, but I have never seen it. The fact there are no laws about the storage of shotgun cartridges also suprises me, I can't really see why FAC ammunition is treated so differently. Who knows Cranners. Thanks for your reply. I initially this ought to be sorted but on reflection let's leave it where it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Who,wants to hold more than 10000 cartridges. If you tried to shoot them off you wouldn't have any shoulders left, let alone ears! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 OK . What I would like to see if something the layman shooter can understand. Along the lines of .........No more than 10K per person I can assure you that it roughly equates to 10,000 12bore cartridges and that is the figure that the HSE work too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Who,wants to hold more than 10000 cartridges. If you tried to shoot them off you wouldn't have any shoulders left, let alone ears! The chap who gets a substantial discount! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 The chap who gets a substantial discount! This. Also they are not getting any less expensive so if you can stock up in bulk then do it. I've had a much quieter year than I would have liked and banged off about 7000 cartridges so easy enough to get through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 U need to order that sort of amount to get free postage. Not sure if the rule is ever enforced much? As a few times we have grouped together to buy shells and bought 10-15K and they wouldn't know if they were all for 1 person or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 The chap who gets a substantial discount! This. Also they are not getting any less expensive so if you can stock up in bulk then do it. I've had a much quieter year than I would have liked and banged off about 7000 cartridges so easy enough to get through. I bought 8000 last time, that way tou gain as much discount as possible. If I am in the right place I buy bits and pieces at good prices and often get offered carts that others don't want. They ALL kill if you point the gun accurately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 People like him do not do people like us any favours he should have had the full extent of the law thrown at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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