Lloyd90 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Any ideas on where to source a cheap 20/28 Bore for dog training and work? Reading a good Springer book again as will be looking for a pup in a few months, it recommends a cheap 20/28 that you don’t mind having to throw down on the floor when needed. I was tempted to buy a 20 recently but was looking at silver pigeons so wouldn’t want to be dropping that!! Cheapest double barrels I can see on guntrader are around £400. Would prefer if it cost much less! Any recommendations appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labstaff Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think wabbit bosher off here would have something suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 You get a cheap 12 cheaper 28s and 20s demand a premium. Personally id use a cheap sbs 12b light to carry cheap on cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Bosh was selling some 12g for a tenner last year ,ideal dog trainer fodder,just use 21g carts atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, welshwarrior said: You get a cheap 12 cheaper 28s and 20s demand a premium. Personally id use a cheap sbs 12b light to carry cheap on cartridges 30 minutes ago, clakk said: Bosh was selling some 12g for a tenner last year ,ideal dog trainer fodder,just use 21g carts atb I was considering this option. I did read the "smaller gun makes a quieter noise" to start the dog off. I will see what's about over coming months, be a long time before the dogs even ready for shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 You could remove the shot and powder from a 12g cart and just fire the primer to start with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaddy525 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 A .410 is no quieter than a 12 bore, get a 12 and save yourself the bother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Any gun can be used for dog training. It doesn't have to be double barrelled, either. An air rifle is a good tool for early introduction to gunfire. You need not introduce a dog to gunshot too early in its life, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Not the question you are asking but I am a little puzzled by what you have read. I have trained dogs for nearly 40 years and never heard this one although many books recommend a 410. I have always begun with a starting pistol at distance and graduated to a 12 bore over time. Pistols can be daunting to young dogs and I do not consider gun shot until 12 months old and I know that the ear is fully developed. I have had dogs that hate dummy launchers and pistols but are no trouble with a shotgun. I start with the dog at 100 yards or so feeding titbits and move the shooter closer only when I note the dog is still unconcerned at the sound. Any adverse reaction and I stop and leave it a week or so. It can also help at a shooting ground that is not too busy. You can walk the dog, feed it the odd biscuit, and vary the distance according to the dogs reaction. On the point you make I shoot a 28 and have had 20 bores. They are no quieter just a slightly different bang. This is particularly noticeable when picking up behind a team of guns. They are generally, as has been said, quite expensive whereas you can get a 410 adapter for the 12 bore on ebay for about 50 quid. Good luck whatever you decide to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 My Flatcoat has always shot a 12 bore, he is just not keen on the smaller gauges as there is less choice in cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 get your self some gauge reducers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, AYA117 said: My Flatcoat has always shot a 12 bore, he is just not keen on the smaller gauges as there is less choice in cartridges. Does it fit him better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewh100 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, mossy835 said: get your self some gauge reducers. this sounds a better idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Lloyd90 said: Does it fit him better? Fits very well and he has no trouble with heavy loads ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, mossy835 said: get your self some gauge reducers. The plan for the cheap gun is so I don't have to throw my beretta on the ground Might buy a cheap side by side though 1 minute ago, AYA117 said: Fits very well and he has no trouble with heavy loads ! We need pics lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 He is very camera shy, bless him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Ive got a spanish sxs and single you can have for nowt, ive been meaning to scrap them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 minute ago, islandgun said: Ive got a spanish sxs and single you can have for nowt, ive been meaning to scrap them That is a very generous offer! Where abouts are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: The plan for the cheap gun is so I don't have to throw my beretta on the ground Might buy a cheap side by side though We need pics lol I don't understand. Under what circumstances would you expect to be throwing ( or even placing) a gun on the ground? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, motty said: I don't understand. Under what circumstances would you expect to be throwing ( or even placing) a gun on the ground? If you had to place the gun down and help the dog? The book said "be able to drop and help your dog if he gets into trouble" Edited January 23, 2018 by Lloyd90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: If you had to place the gun down and help the dog? The book said "be able to drop and help your dog if he gets into trouble" Done correctly, I can never see the situation arising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, motty said: Done correctly, I can never see the situation arising. Well I hope that's the case mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 I think i would just use any gun i had, rather than buy an old beater you will probably never get use of fully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 9 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: That is a very generous offer! Where abouts are you? just down the road from you the Isle of Harris, but I could RFD at cost if wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 Evil Elvis has a Free 12b going on another thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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