Swedens non existent problem

[Rewulf]

The NY times, despite previous denials about the existence of immigrant based violence, has now admitted theres a problem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world/europe/sweden-crime-immigration-hand-grenades.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld&smtyp=cur

[Gordon R]

It doesn't make pleasant reading, but I'm sure someone will be along to dismiss it as propaganda or fabrication.

[Rewulf]

Just now, Gordon R said:

It doesn't make pleasant reading, but I'm sure someone will be along to dismiss it as propaganda or fabrication.

Thats just it Gordon, they have been doing, consistently for several years.
The UK left wing press, the US left wing press, including the NY times, kept rubbishing the stories of Swedish police officers and reporters who went to investigate for themselves, many of whom were violently attacked, when they went into the supposedly non existent 'no go' areas.
When you have the indiscriminate terror of grenades being chucked around in your suburbs, especially in a 'peaceful' country like Sweden, its difficult not to admit theres a problem.

[Westward]

It's difficult to feel much sympathy for Sweden since it's their own fault. However, most of the rest of northern Europe lives with the consequences of largely unwanted, unplanned and unexpected mass immigration. Sweden made multiculturalism a matter of government policy back in the 70s so it's something they chose to have, but Britain and all the other countries struggling to cope have had it thrust upon them whether they liked it or not.

Despite this, our modern society is regularly lauded by the BBC and other metropolitan lefties for being "muticultural" but, unlike the rest of us, these smug elitists, usually living in areas where 99% of the population is ethnic Anglo Saxon or Celtic,  keep telling us plebs that it's somehow a Good Thing. What they seem to miss is that people who are doing okay in their own country aren't usually minded to migrate unless it's for a well paid professional or management appointment. Apart from a few refugees and temporary visitors such as students or fruit pickers, most of those who arrive here have little or no education, few skills and often only the vaguest concept of democracy and the rule of law, but they know all about how easy it is get the free stuff and in the case of foreign criminals, legal aid to misuse human rights laws and evade deportation.

In the short to medium term, immigration is only beneficial to the host country if it's closely controlled, otherwise it simply benefits only the immigrants and their dependants back in the home country.

[yod dropper]

I remember Sweden denying any link despite all of the evidence.  Germany is not so coy.  From the reputable Reuters;

"Violent crime rose by about 10 percent in 2015 and 2016, a study showed. It attributed more than 90 percent of that to young male refugees."

"Around 17 percent of violent crimes in Lower Saxony that were attributed to refugees, for example, were suspected of being committed by North African asylum seekers who made up less than 1 percent of the state’s registered refugee population."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime/violent-crime-rises-in-germany-and-is-attributed-to-refugees-idUSKBN1ES16J

[TriBsa]

Yes it is partly the Swede's own fault in that they let themselves be hoodwinked by their politicians. A liberal social agenda fell easy prey to the multiculturalists and their globalist mass migration agenda. But the people of europe are waking up to the incompatability of mass migration to the survival and viability of their own cultures and way of life. We saw it yesterday in the Italian election. Populist politics are on the rise, mass migration is the hot political topic which the liberal political elite will not be able to stifle.Their hackneyed attempts to brand anyone opposed to mass migration as a dangerous right wing extremist aren't working. Despite all their hate crime laws and media censorship they can't hide the reality of what's happening in europe's inner cities. If the traditional parties that have supported migration and the federalist aims of the EU have left them disenfranchised, then the people have moved to back new parties that have anti migration and eurosceptic agendas.

[old man]

1 hour ago, Westward said:

It's difficult to feel much sympathy for Sweden since it's their own fault. However, most of the rest of northern Europe lives with the consequences of largely unwanted, unplanned and unexpected mass immigration. Sweden made multiculturalism a matter of government policy back in the 70s so it's something they chose to have, but Britain and all the other countries struggling to cope have had it thrust upon them whether they liked it or not.

Despite this, our modern society is regularly lauded by the BBC and other metropolitan lefties for being "muticultural" but, unlike the rest of us, these smug elitists, usually living in areas where 99% of the population is ethnic Anglo Saxon or Celtic,  keep telling us plebs that it's somehow a Good Thing. What they seem to miss is that people who are doing okay in their own country aren't usually minded to migrate unless it's for a well paid professional or management appointment. Apart from a few refugees and temporary visitors such as students or fruit pickers, most of those who arrive here have little or no education, few skills and often only the vaguest concept of democracy and the rule of law, but they know all about how easy it is get the free stuff and in the case of foreign criminals, legal aid to misuse human rights laws and evade deportation.

In the short to medium term, immigration is only beneficial to the host country if it's closely controlled, otherwise it simply benefits only the immigrants and their dependants back in the home country.

Eloquently put.

[Vince Green]

Unrestricted mass immigration, along with an over generous benefits culture, was seen by Blair and Brown as a way of boosting the pool of lifelong labour voters. The Labour Party needed to boost voter numbers because they were losing the unconditional support of ordinary working people who had been at their core.

The policies have been a great success, but only if you are the Labour Party 

 

[besty57]

46 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Unrestricted mass immigration, along with an over generous benefits culture, was seen by Blair and Brown as a way of boosting the pool of lifelong labour voters. The Labour Party needed to boost voter numbers because they were losing the unconditional support of ordinary working people who had been at their core.

The policies have been a great success, but only if you are the Labour Party 

 

Spot on.

[Westward]

I remember reading an article years ago written by an Australian who pointed out that immigrants from relatively backward societies may well be purporting to claim asylum, but often have an unpleasant habit of creating almost exactly the same social and criminal problems in the host country that they claim to be escaping from.

[Vince Green]

33 minutes ago, Westward said:

I remember reading an article years ago written by an Australian who pointed out that immigrants from relatively backward societies may well be purporting to claim asylum, but often have an unpleasant habit of creating almost exactly the same social and criminal problems in the host country that they claim to be escaping from.

Yes I think that is true, a policeman friend some years ago (on the subject of drink driving) said people from Eastern Europe considered it much less antisocial than we do because different cultures hold attitudes.

The grooming gangs in Rochdale are a good example of a clash of values. Two cultures with entirely different views on young women. 

 

Edited March 5, 2018 by Vince Green

[Westward]

4 hours ago, TriBsa said:

Yes it is partly the Swede's own fault in that they let themselves be hoodwinked by their politicians. A liberal social agenda fell easy prey to the multiculturalists and their globalist mass migration agenda. But the people of europe are waking up to the incompatability of mass migration to the survival and viability of their own cultures and way of life. We saw it yesterday in the Italian election. Populist politics are on the rise, mass migration is the hot political topic which the liberal political elite will not be able to stifle.Their hackneyed attempts to brand anyone opposed to mass migration as a dangerous right wing extremist aren't working. Despite all their hate crime laws and media censorship they can't hide the reality of what's happening in europe's inner cities. If the traditional parties that have supported migration and the federalist aims of the EU have left them disenfranchised, then the people have moved to back new parties that have anti migration and eurosceptic agendas.

Good stuff. Perhaps like me you grew up in an era when we had free speech in this country and it was possible to state an opinion without fear of arrest. I hate having to be circumspect  in how I express my views because now that a bunch of bleeding heart liberal social reformers have made disagreeing with the "diversity" agenda a criminal offence.

[Pistol p]

Both flesh and blood. Both black and white. But penguins don't belong on the Savannah of Africa and zebras don't belong on the frozen deserts of Antarctica.

somethings just don't mix naturally.

[saddler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HIAMZOqGos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HIAMZOqGos

 

Edited March 5, 2018 by saddler

[pinfireman]

Swedens problems....................coming to a town / city near you.....soon!

[henry d]

19 hours ago, saddler said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HIAMZOqGos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HIAMZOqGos

 

So what does that prove?

[saddler]

49 minutes ago, henry d said:

So what does that prove?

It proves how integrated these "new Swedes" have become & how well they respect the population that have given them a safe haven away from the war zones and regimes of terror from which they've fled.
I think it is good that they're allowed to act this way, it's a new freedom for them...imagine if a Westerner similarly disrespected people while in an Islamic country? Just because THAT would be treated harshly means that the Swedes in the clip were right to allow this man his right to have a "BenElton", and his irritation at the lack of respect the two elderly women showed by not giving up their seats to allow him to become rested after a hard day ******* goats

 

[Westward]

32 minutes ago, saddler said:

It proves how integrated these "new Swedes" have become & how well they respect the population that have given them a safe haven away from the war zones and regimes of terror from which they've fled.

It's impossible to produce exact figures but a huge proportion aren't fleeing anything like wars or conflict: Pakistan, Iran, Bangladesh, Kenya, Nigeria, Iraq etc. and even most of Afghanistan may not be great places to live but the emigrants are not refugees from bombing or danger. For them it's the "**** Whittington" syndrome, i.e. the streets of Europe - and particularly Britain - are paved with gold and whilst I don't blame them for wanting a better life it's long overdue to call a halt to immigration and start refusing entry to economic migrants who have no right to come here. They do it in Australia and America so why can't we?

[oisin og]

The day when it was possible to pull up the drawbridge and allow non European people’s to the make the best of what they have, are long past.  Fortress Europe is gone and is not coming back. 

Blaming the “left wing press” or the Labour Party or gloating about the problems that Sweden is struggling with is just so much garbage. Brexit and the isolationism that it anticipates is an illusion.

Get used to it.

[12gauge82]

28 minutes ago, oisin og said:

The day when it was possible to pull up the drawbridge and allow non European people’s to the make the best of what they have, are long past.  Fortress Europe is gone and is not coming back. 

Blaming the “left wing press” or the Labour Party or gloating about the problems that Sweden is struggling with is just so much garbage. Brexit and the isolationism that it anticipates is an illusion.

Get used to it.

And why exactly should we "get used to it"? In a democracy, the government is supposed to carry out it's people's wishes, the people of the UK have spoken, loud and clear, so the government need to get on with getting control of our borders again, maybe you need to "get used to it"!

[Vince Green]

1 hour ago, oisin og said:

The day when it was possible to pull up the drawbridge and allow non European people’s to the make the best of what they have, are long past.  Fortress Europe is gone and is not coming back. 

Blaming the “left wing press” or the Labour Party or gloating about the problems that Sweden is struggling with is just so much garbage. Brexit and the isolationism that it anticipates is an illusion.

Get used to it.

I actually think that fortress Europe is coming, big time, and its going to be the new way of doing things. Europe is starting to wake up to the realisation that this influx is not going to stop without serious intervention and countries are saying enough

Edited March 6, 2018 by Vince Green

[pinfireman]

2 hours ago, oisin og said:

The day when it was possible to pull up the drawbridge and allow non European people’s to the make the best of what they have, are long past.  Fortress Europe is gone and is not coming back. 

Blaming the “left wing press” or the Labour Party or gloating about the problems that Sweden is struggling with is just so much garbage. Brexit and the isolationism that it anticipates is an illusion.

Get used to it.

Brexit will be what WE make of it......

[Rewulf]

16 hours ago, henry d said:

So what does that prove?

Youre right, it doesnt prove anything.
The gentleman wanted to sit down, so he intimidated the women until they moved, maybe race wasnt an issue ?

Now if had been white, and the women 'of colour' , that would clearly be a racial motivated hate crime, would it not ?
You could possibly see the double standards involved here ?

But at the end of the day, this thread isnt about that, its about the LIE that Sweden did NOT have a migrant violent crime issue.
An issue that is becoming difficult to keep under wraps, while they are lobbing grenades at each other on the street.

10 hours ago, oisin og said:

The day when it was possible to pull up the drawbridge and allow non European people’s to the make the best of what they have, are long past.  Fortress Europe is gone and is not coming back. 

Blaming the “left wing press” or the Labour Party or gloating about the problems that Sweden is struggling with is just so much garbage. Brexit and the isolationism that it anticipates is an illusion.

Get used to it.

Im most certainly not gloating about anything.
I think its a tragedy that a country like Sweden are having these issues, and all because they tried to do some good.
But yes I do blame the left wing press and left wing politicians, because not only are they in denial about the migrant problem, they LIE about it.
They lied about the Cologne sex attacks, they lied about Sweden, and they are lying about the scale of the ongoing illegal migrants coming from Libya, and Turkey.
The fact they are not reporting it anymore, does not mean its stopped, which someone somewhere is trying to make you believe.

If its not curbed, you will have to get used to it, whether you like it or not.

[yod dropper]

Very well put Rewulf.  

[pinfireman]

Spot on!  Rewulf.  It,s coming to a town near us.............soon!