bruno22rf Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Fallen in love with a Ruger M77/17 but it comes with a heavy target barrel and is not screw cut, is this going to be a major headache? How much difference do they make on a round travelling at 2500fps - will be using mainly for long range crow and pigeon shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 If you have decided on a heavy target barrel that's down to you, I struggle to envisage any situation where I would want to hump around such a heavy lump for field work. It's easy enough to get any barrel threaded! This is far from up to date but is still useful. http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/17hmr-calibre-sound-moderators-review You may as well ask what use is ANY moderator on any ammo travelling faster then the speed of sound???? The moderator will do a fair job of reducing the propellant crack, but will have no effect on any sonic boom. EVERY rifle I have has a moderator fitted, I find them a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Out of curiosity I took the moderator off my HMR to see how loud it was, I couldn’t believe the huge difference from a shooters perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprucey Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 I did same test last weekend... Without Mod = Sounded like a FullBore! Echoed well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 TBH - too many sensible answers instead of the "doesn't really make much difference m8 and if the gun is THAT nice just buy it" - to add insult to injury comes Dekers suggestion that my baby may be a little over weight . That's the problem with this forum - people who know better giving sound advice - going to sit in the corner and simply rock myself to sleep now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 56 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: TBH - too many sensible answers instead of the "doesn't really make much difference m8 and if the gun is THAT nice just buy it" - to add insult to injury comes Dekers suggestion that my baby may be a little over weight . That's the problem with this forum - people who know better giving sound advice - going to sit in the corner and simply rock myself to sleep now. Some people like heavy barrels/guns, simply not for me in the field, the moderator will make a fair bit of difference to the overall sound level, the HMR is pretty noisy unmoderated! Good luck whatever you get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Bruno Local to you in Dunstable £70 to screw cut so if the guns fairly cheap go for it http://www.jrfirearms.co.uk/barrel-screw-cutting.html I have just got my .243 off my keeper and that's not threaded its getting done asap as soon as the ringing in my ears subsides after trying three rounds through it. To echo the above comments I tried my HMR without the mod on it. Never again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitester Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 I’ve got a sak on my hmr and the noise isn’t that horrific . Keep toying with the idea of getting a fancy over barrel mod but the price is heavy and from what i’Ve read the difference isn’t that great so will probably spend the money on ammo instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Not read the other opinions, but for HMR over barrel i'd be going for a Swift Nightingale.... Mine was proofed for .17HMR and .22LR. Yet for the last few years I've been using it on my .223 Rem as well, (mostly). And to good effect.... Made of alloy the first baffle has taken a bit of a bit of a beating, and a little on the second. But the last 3 are fine. I use it mainly for .223 Rem. But the rest of the baffles are doing just fine..... And at around £130 you cant complain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Each to their own. I had a Ruger 77/17 and could never get the thing to shoot within 2 inches at 100 yards. After two years of hassle I swapped it for a CZ 455 and have never looked back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I’ve only got an Atac wave on my HMR but makes a huge difference and was about €50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, PPP said: I’ve only got an Atac wave on my HMR but makes a huge difference and was about €50 I had an early atec and it was poop. Swapped it out for sirocco and its made a big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) I have a Sirocco SM11 on mine, but all my other rimfires, including my WMR have a SAK fitted, when the SM11 dies again (which I'm sure it will as the first was replaced under warranty) then I will fit a SAK to my HMR as well. Despite the fact the SM11 seems to get a good rating on a HMR I remain fairly unimpressed, without spending a fortune on a mod I consider the best I have to be my Sako, it just edges out the others to my ears on ALL my rimfires, but the SAK wins for me with a size and price advantage, the worse sound reduction difference being only marginal. The Sako, whilst a fraction quieter, has a length problem for me! Sako SM11 SAK Lots of mods out there, I have tried/used/heard a lot, and people will have their favourites, so the choice is wide, but PERSONALLY, I think one to avoid is the Wildcat Whisper, an expensive waste of time. Edited April 4, 2018 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanieboy Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I have the Wildcat Whisper 17 HMR on mine. To my ears, there is no difference between it and a Sak. The Wildcat is of a more robust construction.....have to say something positive about it at £125...looks nice too! The Sak at £40 is, imo, as good as anything on a Rimfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, beanieboy said: I have the Wildcat Whisper 17 HMR on mine. To my ears, there is no difference between it and a Sak. The Wildcat is of a more robust construction.....have to say something positive about it at £125...looks nice too! The Sak at £40 is, imo, as good as anything on a Rimfire. There are not many honest people about who own the Whisper, human nature I expect, few are prepared to share what you have just said! Have to agree with everything above, more robust build, over barrel but heavier, no quieter (independent tests actually say it's louder) and a LOT more expensive than a SAK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertt Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) One of my greatest blunders ever was swapping a 6PPC sporter for a heavy barreled 6PPC. No gain in accuracy and it was a nightmare to lump around the hill. I didnt keep it long. Edited April 4, 2018 by Robertt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanieboy Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, Dekers said: There are not many honest people about who own the Whisper, human nature I expect, few are prepared to share what you have just said! Have to agree with everything above, more robust build, over barrel but heavier, no quieter (independent tests actually say it's louder) and a LOT more expensive than a SAK. Sometimes the truth hurts....in my case, to the tune of about £80!....still, you live and learn, as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, beanieboy said: Sometimes the truth hurts....in my case, to the tune of about £80!....still, you live and learn, as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 If I were to swap my Atac for a SAK would I still need ear protection? I was impressed with the wave compared to no mod at all. I have nothing to compare it to.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, PPP said: If I were to swap my Atac for a SAK would I still need ear protection? I was impressed with the wave compared to no mod at all. I have nothing to compare it to.. I think you would notice the difference, as for hearing protection, I don't know how much of Difference it would make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Callahan Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 My HMR is a Varmint, so heavy barrel. I've thought nothing of it for 10years - walking 100acre a night on rabbits. I then bought a .22lr a year ago which is very lightweight. Yep, OK I see the difference now... but I still love my 452. As for Moderators... SAK does all IMO. I use an ASE Utra which is very good - but it's heavier and very fiddly to clean. I've shot it side by side with a SAK and noise reports are very similar (can't tell apart). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I dont think theres alot of difference between any of them although i do have a DM80 on mine, however calibre specific mods are supposed to be more accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I have SAK's on both my .17 HMR and .22LR CZ's and have sat next to other's using different i'e more expensive mods on their guns and they always comment on how quiet the .22 is, the .17 "barks" no matter what you put on it due as previously stated the speed of the bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Every now and again a product comes along that just works. The SAK is a brilliant moderator at a very competitive price in the moderator market place, very few will need any more than a SAK offers. Some moderators may offer a minor improvement in sound reduction, but these will all come with some other issue of size/weight/price, in some cases all 3. Obviously the choice is down to the individual, I have bought, tried, used, heard a lot, and SAK still sits at the top of the pile as the "Best Overall" for me on the rimfires! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 I have one of Daves (DM80) 17 HMR mods on my HMR, which has had thousands of rounds through it and is still looking very good, with only minimal scarring on the first baffle. My recently acquired 17 Hornet came with a 17 cal swift, which is exceptionally light, slimmer than my DM80, has fully interchangeable/replaceable baffles, and works very well, and would be a very good option. I always wear hearing protection as the mod only moderates the sound of the combustion it can not remove the supersonic crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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