Bobba Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 BBC news today: divers will begin to walk the boys and teacher out of the cave. Fingers crossed. BBC Breakfast this morning carried an interview with cave diver Geoff Crossley who has undertaken a similar type of rescue in the UK. Reading between the lines a significant unknown factor and danger will be panic which could endanger both the rescuer and schoolboy. I wish them well. On 7 July 2018 at 01:51, silver pigeon69 said: It took me 20+ years of diving, 6 of those(prior to this video) of Diving at least once, sometimes 3 times a day, nearly every day, to get to this level! I have been out of it for 6 years now and would not like to do the dive facing the Thai Kids, without a few weeks of training/build up dives! I too did over 20 years of diving. 15 yrs as diving instructor and Practical Rescue Management Instructor. (Out of it for 4yrs now) I was never drawn to cave diving although, paradoxically, I did do wreck penetration here and abroad. With this background I am following the rescue with particular interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 It looks like this rescue operation is - touch wood - going according to plan. Following it on Thai news right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted July 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 Fingers crossed, hope all goes well for the many people involved in this rescue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-begins-four-boys-freed 4 kids out today( yesterday?) they are hoping to do the same again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 On 07/07/2018 at 01:32, silver pigeon69 said: This is a serious dive! There are two underwater restrictions where you have to remove your cylinder/s and "push them through the hole before you go through! The visibility is less than 10cm (4 inchs) and one of the sumps is 30m (100 feet deep)! Not an easy dive for a very experienced cave diver! This video shows a few restrictions, but in pristine conditions, but experienced divers. And you did this for fun ?...luckily my belly would stop me from going down anything smaller or wetter than the Blackwall Tunnel ! It takes a special kind of person to do that , the guy that died , experienced as he was shows just how dangerous the task is ..I wish them all the luck in the world , they will need it .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 hours ago, moose man said: It takes a special kind of person to do that , the guy that died , experienced as he was shows just how dangerous the task is ..I wish them all the luck in the world , they will need it .. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Mice! said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-begins-four-boys-freed 4 kids out today( yesterday?) they are hoping to do the same again. There was a lot of helicopter activity here earlier( my house is near the 'old airport' that's being used as a helicopter base) from about seven to nine-thirty, but it's died down a bit now (12pm) . Presumably they were ferrying key rescue personnel and their equipment back up to the cave area. They say that the same divers who performed the rescue yesterday will (hopefully) complete a duplicate operation later today when all the prep has been done. The weather has been a boon. There's some cloud about but so far the rain has held off . Here's hoping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Retsdon said: There was a lot of helicopter activity here earlier( my house is near the 'old airport' that's being used as a helicopter base) from about seven to nine-thirty, but it's died down a bit now (12pm) . Presumably they were ferrying key rescue personnel and their equipment back up to the cave area. They say that the same divers who performed the rescue yesterday will (hopefully) complete a duplicate operation later today when all the prep has been done. The weather has been a boon. There's some cloud about but so far the rain has held off . Here's hoping. hello, you actually live in Thailand??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, you actually live in Thailand??? He lives near the caves ten fifteen miles away i think he said, pigeon watch is everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Mice! said: He lives near the caves ten fifteen miles away i think he said, pigeon watch is everywhere hello, ok thanks i just wondered as his info states Saudi Arabia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 7 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, you actually live in Thailand??? Yes and no. We have a house here in Chiang Rai, and I used to live and work here full time for about 9 years. But then I had to go to make some proper money so these days I spend 9 months a year in Saudi. But at the moment I'm on holiday, back in my home, and pretty close to where this drama is going down. Above i posted 15 miles, but on reflection it's probably closer to 30. Anyway, close enough to see and hear the helicopter activity between the cave and the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Incidentally, if this thing succeeds, an enormous amount of the credit should go to the ex-governor of Chiang Rai province, a bloke called Narongsak Osottanakorn. Although he'd already basically been sacked for his anti-corruption stance, the military government allowed him to continue with overseeing this whole rescue thing. Sure, the divers underground are the heroes, but this fellow's logistical organization and, at difficult times, basic life and death strategic decisions have been spot on. The people of Chiang Rai are really upset to see him go. But in a military dictatorship, what can you do? Here's a link - http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2018/07/04/cave-rescue-saves-governors-job-at-least-for-now/ No criticism of his sacking in the article because - well ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Yes and no. We have a house here in Chiang Rai, and I used to live and work here full time for about 9 years. But then I had to go to make some proper money so these days I spend 9 months a year in Saudi. But at the moment I'm on holiday, back in my home, and pretty close to where this drama is going down. Above i posted 15 miles, but on reflection it's probably closer to 30. Anyway, close enough to see and hear the helicopter activity between the cave and the town. hello, thankyou to reply, i can understand you working in Saudi, i was in Thailand about 8 years ago when a lot of foreign nationals had to sell up their bars and property or other business assets due to the economy and new rules i believe from the Thai goverment, my last trip in 2012 saw increasing number of Russians and Chinese, i have been up north as far as Korat but my friends were most in Bangkok or Pattaya, i must say i did get on well with the Thai people but not sure i will ever go back, i heard 4 more boys have been rescued so thats good news, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 The north is a bit different to Pattaya and Bangkok.And, to be honest, our biggest tourist issue is Thais from Bangkok. For some reason, over the last 5-8 years Chiang Rai has become 'the destination' for rich Bangkok society, and their money and influence has transformed the town - and not all for the good. Yes, there are more places to buy a good bottle of wine or whatever, but the traffic has become a nightmare and the whole place has lost its cohesive identity. But people are making money and that's all that seems to count nowadays. Anyway, off topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 It is reported that all of the boys and their coach are safely out. Fantastic effort and great result, but we musn't forget that one brave Thai Navy diver lost his life working for this great result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 Fantastic result from some incredible people. Just looking at the video's the control is amazing. I would not do that in a dry cave let alone one with water in. Very very brave. Off to the Philippines diving in December but i wont be going in any caves ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 Fabulous fabulous news! Some extremely brave, selfless and skilled people involved, and no small credit to the lads involved either. Fantastic result all round. Let's just hope the film isn't a Spielberg one full of mulch and sentimentality! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Scully said: Fabulous fabulous news! Some extremely brave, selfless and skilled people involved, and no small credit to the lads involved either. Fantastic result all round. Let's just hope the film isn't a Spielberg one full of mulch and sentimentality! ? LOl or an american flag in there somewhere Edited July 10, 2018 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, oowee said: LOl or an american flag in there somewhere ?Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 hours ago, oowee said: LOl or an american flag in there somewhere Will the lad still be wearing an England football shirt? massive effort when you read what's been done to get them out, with a fantastic result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 On 08/07/2018 at 08:57, Bobba said: BBC news today: divers will begin to walk the boys and teacher out of the cave. Fingers crossed. BBC Breakfast this morning carried an interview with cave diver Geoff Crossley who has undertaken a similar type of rescue in the UK. Reading between the lines a significant unknown factor and danger will be panic which could endanger both the rescuer and schoolboy. I wish them well. I too did over 20 years of diving. 15 yrs as diving instructor and Practical Rescue Management Instructor. (Out of it for 4yrs now) I was never drawn to cave diving although, paradoxically, I did do wreck penetration here and abroad. With this background I am following the rescue with particular interest. I like my wrecks as well! HMS Victoria, Lebabnon. HMS Hermes, Sri Lanka. (I wrote an article for Dive mag on the work opening up a new area of the Zenobia) On 09/07/2018 at 15:41, Retsdon said: Incidentally, if this thing succeeds, an enormous amount of the credit should go to the ex-governor of Chiang Rai province, a bloke called Narongsak Osottanakorn. Although he'd already basically been sacked for his anti-corruption stance, the military government allowed him to continue with overseeing this whole rescue thing. Sure, the divers underground are the heroes, but this fellow's logistical organization and, at difficult times, basic life and death strategic decisions have been spot on. The people of Chiang Rai are really upset to see him go. But in a military dictatorship, what can you do? Here's a link - http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2018/07/04/cave-rescue-saves-governors-job-at-least-for-now/ No criticism of his sacking in the article because - well ..... and that he was not too proud to ask for external assistance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 Don't know if this has been mentioned but I heard one brief comment that every recovery involved Brit divers and without them it would not have been successful. Also on news last night ManU are arranging for all lads to attend a game at Old Trafford - no big deal I suppose. Just one weeks wages for Sanchez! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, norfolk dumpling said: Don't know if this has been mentioned but I heard one brief comment that every recovery involved Brit divers and without them it would not have been successful. Also on news last night ManU are arranging for all lads to attend a game at Old Trafford - no big deal I suppose. Just one weeks wages for Sanchez! Unnecessary? Mouth. Horse. Gift. Perhaps. I'm sure the youngsters would appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, norfolk dumpling said: Also on news last night ManU are arranging for all lads to attend a game at Old Trafford I do wonder if the 'celebrity status' placed on these boys following their ordeal may prove more damaging than the ordeal itself. It was a problem for some of the Chilean (?) miners who were released after a long entrapment. I am not expert here, but there have been pieces written suggesting that this may have long term effects (PTSD etc.) and that a return to a 'normal' life must be a priority. It is a thoughtful gesture, but is it the right thing to do? I am unconvinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted July 12, 2018 Report Share Posted July 12, 2018 The lads were part of a football club so (cynically it could be) I suspect PR guys at ManU thought this might be an opportunity to enhance their 'brand'. And yes JohnfromUK, it might be damaging but they are quite young still and may see this more as a big game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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