What a spineless cabinet we have

[Mighty Ruler]

Just now, 12gauge82 said:

+1

+2

Just heard that Graham Brady has got over 48 letters.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

4 minutes ago, Mighty Ruler said:

+2

Just heard that Graham Brady has got over 48 letters.

No surprise really is it?

[Rewulf]

15 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

believing that Britain has been offered too much already.

Weve been offered what ?
Its us doing the offering ! 
Have we been offered a free trade deal ?
Do we get control of our borders back ?
Do we free ourselves from the ECJ ?

We should have told them from the start what we WANT , not ask them what THEY want !
This is the fundamental flaw in the so called negotiations from the start.

Im feeling a gammon flush coming on 😁

[oisin og]

The 1922 Committee will receive the necessary 48 letters expressing “no confidence” in the PM.

The motion to depose her will be put and will not command a majority.

Ms. May to continue as PM and be immune from internal Tory threat for one year. 

 

[Lloyd90]

1 hour ago, Mighty Ruler said:

+2

Just heard that Graham Brady has got over 48 letters.

From where? 

Nothing coming through on the news channels? 

[Mighty Ruler]

1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said:

From where? 

Nothing coming through on the news channels? 

Steve Baker, according to Guido Fawkes.

[Lloyd90]

1 minute ago, Mighty Ruler said:

Steve Baker, according to Guido Fawkes.

Apparently only Brady knows how many there are and he hasn’t made an announcement ... 

[Mighty Ruler]

4 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

Apparently only Brady knows how many there are and he hasn’t made an announcement ... 

Hasn’t Brady said he’ll give May 48 hours notice before going public. Sure I read it somewhere.

[Lloyd90]

10 minutes ago, Mighty Ruler said:

Hasn’t Brady said he’ll give May 48 hours notice before going public. Sure I read it somewhere.

Could do, apparently calling all the whips back to Westminster. 

Might announce it Monday. 

[old man]

18 hours ago, Mighty Ruler said:

What about all the rubbish young remainers got off social media, can’t believe some of the rubbish they fell for.

There was a young lad on telly tonight who wanted another vote because he was worried about having to do more paperwork to go and work on a cruise ship. If that’s the sum of his problems .....................

Ah bless.

6 hours ago, Dave-G said:

Thats much better put than I could have written. Very succinct. I'm thinking their entire plan is/was to debilitate the stroppy UK

I think so too.

[ditchman]

4 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

From where? 

Nothing coming through on the news channels? 

reported ...only 20 so far !!

[Mighty Ruler]

28 minutes ago, ditchman said:

reported ...only 20 so far !!

20 have gone public, there must be others who have quietly sent in their letters without announcing it.

[JRDS]

May has agreed to let Brussels decide when we leave which will be never, the madness and treachery is quite unbelievable whilst she stands there telling us everything she has delivered which is absolutely nothing except ******* away £39 Billion of Taxpayers money whilst her own country is a total mess.

She must go and Parliament must vote this down, no deal is our only route to freedom.

Edited November 16, 2018 by JRDS

[12gauge82]

53 minutes ago, JRDS said:

May has agreed to let Brussels decide when we leave which will be never, the madness and treachery is quite unbelievable.

She must go and Parliament must vote this down, no deal is our only route to freedom.

This

[JRDS]

Brexit means Brexit my **** the traitorous bitch.

[12gauge82]

"no deals better than a bad deal"

Yeah looks like it!

[JRDS]

2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

"no deals better than a bad deal"

Yeah looks like it!

Our only hope is that Party Politics means we get it by default.  See she has brought the horrendous Rudd back to shore her up!!

[12gauge82]

44 minutes ago, JRDS said:

Our only hope is that Party Politics means we get it by default.  See she has brought the horrendous Rudd back to shore her up!!

Yes another one with the same lack of morals

[12gauge82]

Just read the language coming from the unelected EU commission and some of the other member states in this article, if the UK signs up to this "deal" the UK will have been well and truly defeated.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/16/brexit-deal-take-it-or-leave-it-eu-tells-britain

[Bazooka Joe]

The only one I've heard talk sense is Ian Duncan Smith, back to the EU, change the deal or no deal.

 

[Retsdon]

4 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said:

The only one I've heard talk sense is Ian Duncan Smith, back to the EU, change the deal

Duncan Smith hasn't been listening - Europe has finished talking. This transitional arrangement  - which is what it's supposed to be whilst the next steps in the extrication process are thrashed out - has been signed off on by both sides and for Europe there's no going back anymore, only forwards. What remains unknown though is whether for Britain this will be forwards towards full a Brexit, or forwards into Purgatory, stuck indefinitely in the no man's land between full membership of the EU and  full 3rd country status.....or even forwards Back to the Future by ripping up Article 50 as so many in the country would like to.

And that's why Theresa May's deal is so uniformly disliked. It essentially just kicks the can down the road and decides nothing.

[walshie]

May could have handled it so 51% were happy and 49% were unhappy, or vice-versa. She's managed to make 100% unhappy. The idiot. 

[Munzy]

3 hours ago, Retsdon said:

And that's why Theresa May's deal is so uniformly disliked. It essentially just kicks the can down the road and decides nothing.

It’s worse than that... if only it were a delay!

This agreement puts us into the Transitional Period from which the EU will NOT agree the terms concerning the Irish border resulting in the Backstop Arrangement going into force which cannot be dissolved without EU approval which of course will NEVER come.

If this Draft Agreement gets signed we are done for, Hotel California at full volume, we will have checked-out but we can never leave.

May and the “negotiating” team have stabbed every Brexit supporter (and to a great extent every Remainer too) in the back.

We now have a choice of:

1) Go along with the Draft Agreement, lose our seat at the EU table but NEVER fully leave.

2) Vote down the Draft Agreement in the House of Commons, go back to the EU and renegotiate.

3) Walk away in March with no deal.

4) Hold a second referendum with the outcome either being Brexit (full circle to where we are now) or remain in the EU.

Personally I think Option 1 (Signing the Draft Agreement) is the most disastrous outcome for this country, literally the worst thing that could happen.

Option 4 (A second referendum) I am torn on. I voted to leave, I want us to leave BUT we need to have the right terms. If we don’t have the right terms agreed, either by malice or ineptitude, I want to remain in the EU. I do see that many Brexiteers will see a second referendum as a betrayal and the question of “how many times do you want to keep voting?”, comes into play. Hence I am split. My logic is, I voted for Brexit because I feel it will be better for us; if when it comes to the crunch, the terms are not better for us then I don’t want Brexit. Thankfully there are other options.

Option 3 (Leave with no deal) is very bad short term (<10 years) for business and the economy as a whole, the EU will make it so. However, I hope that beyond 10 years the EU will have failed and together with other countries in Europe we can look to build a union which works, makes us stronger but does not attempt to control.

Option 2 (Renegotiate) is what we need to aim for, it is the only logical thing to do given the terrible job these cretins have done so far. It does require a new team with some clout however. It also needs MPs and the electorate to stand up and be heard... the latter being the important bit.

Ironically one of the things we lack which most of Europe specialise in (particularly the southerners) is the heart for protest and civil disobedience. The French or Spanish would’ve had their respective country’s on their knees by now. Port and motorway blockades, nobody at work, people refusing to move in the face of swinging police batons and water hoses. Sadly this romantic vision we have of Churchill, Spitfires and Blitz Spirit no longer exists even though we feel it’s at the heart of our Britishness. We are oppressed sheep, continually screwed by our governments, media and big business and never standing up to it. We sign online petitions and chat on forums. We are too “British” to make a fuss, a real fuss. Around and around we go because we don’t have the balls to stop the abuse.

For all my patriotic feeling I am ashamed of myself and my fellow countrymen for letting this happen, for being so British. We should be on the streets NOW demanding a resignation from Mrs May and ensuring this Draft Agreement is torn up. Instead I’m posting on an Internet forum before going out for breakfast. I really don’t know how to change this situation.

[12gauge82]

6 minutes ago, Munzy said:

It’s worse than that... if only it were a delay!

This agreement puts us into the Transitional Period from which the EU will NOT agree the terms concerning the Irish border resulting in the Backstop Arrangement going into force which cannot be dissolved without EU approval which of course will NEVER come.

If this Draft Agreement gets signed we are done for, Hotel California at full volume, we will have checked-out but we can never leave.

May and the “negotiating” team have stabbed every Brexit supporter (and to a great extent every Remainer too) in the back.

We now have a choice of:

1) Go along with the Draft Agreement, lose our seat at the EU table but NEVER fully leave.

2) Vote down the Draft Agreement in the House of Commons, go back to the EU and renegotiate.

3) Walk away in March with no deal.

4) Hold a second referendum with the outcome either being Brexit (full circle to where we are now) or remain in the EU.

Personally I think Option 1 (Signing the Draft Agreement) is the most disastrous outcome for this country, literally the worst thing that could happen.

Option 4 (A second referendum) I am torn on. I voted to leave, I want us to leave BUT we need to have the right terms. If we don’t have the right terms agreed, either by malice or ineptitude, I want to remain in the EU. I do see that many Brexiteers will see a second referendum as a betrayal and the question of “how many times do you want to keep voting?”, comes into play. Hence I am split. My logic is, I voted for Brexit because I feel it will be better for us; if when it comes to the crunch, the terms are not better for us then I don’t want Brexit. Thankfully there are other options.

Option 3 (Leave with no deal) is very bad short term (<10 years) for business and the economy as a whole, the EU will make it so. However, I hope that beyond 10 years the EU will have failed and together with other countries in Europe we can look to build a union which works, makes us stronger but does not attempt to control.

Option 2 (Renegotiate) is what we need to aim for, it is the only logical thing to do given the terrible job these cretins have done so far. It does require a new team with some clout however. It also needs MPs and the electorate to stand up and be heard... the latter being the important bit.

Ironically one of the things we lack which most of Europe specialise in (particularly the southerners) is the heart for protest and civil disobedience. The French or Spanish would’ve had their respective country’s on their knees by now. Port and motorway blockades, nobody at work, people refusing to move in the face of swinging police batons and water hoses. Sadly this romantic vision we have of Churchill, Spitfires and Blitz Spirit no longer exists even though we feel it’s at the heart of our Britishness. We are oppressed sheep, continually screwed by our governments, media and big business and never standing up to it. We sign online petitions and chat on forums. We are too “British” to make a fuss, a real fuss. Around and around we go because we don’t have the balls to stop the abuse.

For all my patriotic feeling I am ashamed of myself and my fellow countrymen for letting this happen, for being so British. We should be on the streets NOW demanding a resignation from Mrs May and ensuring this Draft Agreement is torn up. Instead I’m posting on an Internet forum before going out for breakfast. I really don’t know how to change this situation.

Option 3, my family didn't die in foreign lands for our freedom, only for a gutless bunch of politicians to be bullied into handing this country's sovereignty over to a load of unelected EU snakes.

[walshie]

4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Option 3, my family didn't die in foreign lands for our freedom, only for a gutless bunch of politicians to be bullied into handing this country's sovereignty over to a load of unelected EU snakes.

We haven't even been bullied into it. Fuhrer May always wanted to stay in and if she has her way, we will. Whether we stay or go, the EU will try to make an example of us for daring to disobey.

Respect to your family.