Dekers Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) Help me out please. Save me scouring the countryside, I need a scope for a new .223 I'm buying as a Club/Guest rifle. This is a target only scope. This will be a perfectly reasonable setup without getting near World class, I can already hear where some will be going on this, but I have delivered 8 V Bulls and 2 Bulls with my T3Lite .223 at 600 yards with a £40 JSR scope on top at the time, and that is plenty good enough, but I need something a bit better that will stand the test of time, this will be a long term investment for my Club. It MUST cope with 600 yards without daft mounts of shims. It will mainly be used at 200-300 yards but 600 is essential. I know a lot will struggle to give me enough elevation, so thats no good obviously. Now the fun part, budget is £300 to Absolute max of £400. Suggestions please! Cheers PS Scope only ideas please, I have set our Club Armourer the task of delivering a shortlist of suitable rifles. Thanks again! Edited June 26, 2019 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 Discovery ED or HD range , 30 and 34 mm tubes, a whole lot of scope for the money. Can be bought in the UK for your budget, but directly imported from the factory in China for a 25 + % saving. Or Falcons S range , or even a 2nd hand T range 50 x . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dekers Posted June 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Discovery ED or HD range , 30 and 34 mm tubes, a whole lot of scope for the money. Can be bought in the UK for your budget, but directly imported from the factory in China for a 25 + % saving. Or Falcons S range , or even a 2nd hand T range 50 x . Cheers Have you got/used a Discovery to 600? My main concern for scopes is that it has the elevation!!!!! I bought the best part of £1000 Bushnell LONG RANGE scope about 5 years ago and that was still nearly a metre LOW at maximum elevation at 600 yards on my .243 (went straight back). I need a scope for a .223 to 600 and that is asking even more. My .223 has a 200 yards zero, I was using it at 600 on Sunday and there was an 80" (circa 2 metre) drop out to 600, that is asking a lot of many scopes (despite what they may claim). I'm really after something someone can tell me will do the job for sure, will be using 62g upwards .223 ammo most of the time out of decent length barrel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) What about a fairly standard scope with a 20 moa scope rail - should cover 100 - 600 with .223 with ease. Or use Burris scope rings with the off set plastic inserts to give you 20 moa.. With you scope set up correctly I think you would only need around 15 -18 moa to get from 100 - 600 yards. I use a CZ 527 .223 from 100 - 600 with no problem with an old Kassnar scope. Edited June 26, 2019 by 1066 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 Hawke Sidewinder 30 SF IR 6-24x56. Under £370. Fantastic scope, lifetime warranty for original purchaser. I've just bought a new one and it's brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 I have a HI (mid range) 8-30 x 50 , great glass, it would easily 'see' out to 600y. Ive not shot my .223 out that far, wrong twist for the heavier bullets. It has 50 MOA adjustment, some have 60 , that means central , its got 25 MOA each way. By my 'rough' calculations at a 100 yard zero, it needs 17 MOA to get to 600 yards, this puts you close to limits and is usually not advisable. Its do able, but a 20 MOA weaver rail, or a bit of back mount shimming would keep it more central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, steve_b_wales said: Hawke Sidewinder 30 SF IR 6-24x56. Under £370. Fantastic scope, lifetime warranty for original purchaser. I've just bought a new one and it's brilliant. Someone else mentioned those to me...are we CERTAIN they can deal with 600 yards on a .223 without daft mounts of shims? Cheers Edited June 26, 2019 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dekers said: Someone else mentioned those to me...are we CERTAIN they can deal with 600 yards on a .223 without daft mounts of shims? Depends if you have it mounted right, central to adjustment..however the good thing about the Hawke scope Steve mentioned is its 62 MOA range , BUT I believe 1/4 MOA clicks ? So not as fine adjustable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Rewulf said: Depends if you have it mounted right, central to adjustment..however the good thing about the Hawke scope Steve mentioned is its 62 MOA range , BUT I believe 1/4 MOA clicks ? So not as fine adjustable. Correct, it has 1/4 MOA adjustments on it. I haven't tried it (yet) for 600 yards, so can't comment on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Dekers said: Someone else mentioned those to me...are we CERTAIN they can deal with 600 yards on a .223 without daft mounts of shims? Cheers Far from being daft, if investing in a new club .223 rifle for target shooting out to 600 yards, it would be daft not to fit a 20moa rail. Cost and fitting would be about the same and they look almost identical. It would mean that you have a vast array of scope that would suit, rather than just a handful and would also be better optically. With any scope that will cover the required range, with a standard rail at 600 yards you will be far from optical centre and working with the last few clicks of adjustment available. With a +20moa rail you will be depressed a little at 100 and about 2/3rds up at 600. Far better all round. (In my opinion :)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, 1066 said: Far from being daft, if investing in a new club .223 rifle for target shooting out to 600 yards, it would be daft not to fit a 20moa rail. Cost and fitting would be about the same and they look almost identical. It would mean that you have a vast array of scope that would suit, rather than just a handful and would also be better optically. With any scope that will cover the required range, with a standard rail at 600 yards you will be far from optical centre and working with the last few clicks of adjustment available. With a +20moa rail you will be depressed a little at 100 and about 2/3rds up at 600. Far better all round. (In my opinion :)) This is how mine is set up, I dont even use a 20 MOA rail, I just shim the rear mount about 2 mm, keeps optical centre for the 100-300 yard foxing ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 You see allot of shooters using Sightron scopes to 600 and beyond. I found enough elevation without a raised mount using the Siii 8-32×56 to 500 with 55grn from a 22.250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Dougy said: You see allot of shooters using Sightron scopes to 600 and beyond. I found enough elevation without a raised mount using the Siii 8-32×56 to 500 with 55grn from a 22.250. Yes, I have a Siii 8-32 x56 on my 6mmbr - unfortunately they cost about £1,000 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, 1066 said: Yes, I have a Siii 8-32 x56 on my 6mmbr - unfortunately they cost about £1,000 now. Missed the budget bit. 2nd hand may be a lucky option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver fox 1 Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) Sightron S tac 4x20x50 they have 80 moa windage and elevation slightly over budget though at £480, 40 Moa should get you out to 600 yards okay and then some, have a look at optics warehouse all the best sf1 Edited June 26, 2019 by silver fox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewh100 Posted June 26, 2019 Report Share Posted June 26, 2019 12 hours ago, steve_b_wales said: Hawke Sidewinder 30 SF IR 6-24x56. Under £370. Fantastic scope, lifetime warranty for original purchaser. I've just bought a new one and it's brilliant. just sold one of these to my mate lovely scope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangbangman Posted June 27, 2019 Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) It is difficult to guarantee that the scope will have enough adjustment as the top of the rifle's action is not always true to the bore (eg barrel droop.) I have had no problem dialling to 600m and beyond with 223Rem, 20inch barrel, 77gr bullets, using a Vortex PST with a 30mm main tube n a 0moa mount. However, using a scope at any extreme of its adjustment range is not ideal so, since you are going to need mounts/bases anyway, why not get a 20moa base/rail or use the Burris Signature Zee rings (or better yet, XTR) and get up to 40moa extra elevation (depending on ring separation.) BTW, the XTR are pricier (often around £60 secondhand, though) but include a set of inserts and are very solid, whereas the Signature Zee rings are lighter weight, cheaper but don't contain the offset inserts. Both are kind to scope tubes. Edited June 27, 2019 by Bangbangman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 Thanks ALL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted June 27, 2019 Report Share Posted June 27, 2019 Get a second hand scope and you’ll get more for your money. Leupold MK4 target would probably be ideal? Be very careful though as they have cheap copies about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 5, 2019 Report Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) Was also going to chime in with a ‘used’ S111. Sign up for Optics Warehouse newsletter email and each Friday you will receive an email detailing their offers and some of their used/return scopes Edited July 5, 2019 by Jaymo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 Speak to Fox Firearms, seem to deal in proven cheapish scopes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Got there at last, new gun and scope for my club, Optisan 6-24x56! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) Nice, but consider using a 20 MOA rail anyway, it will let you stay a bit closer to the optical centre of your glass. Edited October 2, 2019 by MartynGT4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Very tactical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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